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@She and Her Darkness hmm recovering anorexic. Your BMI is 24.2 which is in the healthy range

Definitely don't count calories. Honestly, all I would suggest for you would be to focus on replacing unhealthy snacks with healthy ones, or exercising a little more perhaps re health, because recovering anorexia, and your weight is great. You might lose a few lbs as a side effect of making your diet healthier, but I figure that trying to lose weight might be pushing things too close into dangerous territory given you are a recovering anorexic.

I don't know much about anorexia though (as a disclaimer), just would advise caution.
i know how iffy it must sound. However, i'd say i'm more 'recovered' than 'recovering,' i'm long done with that hell, i just don't want to encourage myself back into a limiting mindset.
my weight is right at the edge of being in acceptable range, but i've had some concerns expressed to me about the change, my overeating is definitely a problem.

i appreciate your suggestions, i can see where you're coming from.

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OK, here's where the psychological **** comes into weight loss.

Today I stepped on the scales and I've lost a kilo since last week. That should be freaking amazing. It was last Thursday, so a kilo (2.2lb) in 6 days.

And yet my brain went 'Oh, shouldn't it have been more than that?'

Because this week my average cals have been 1040, and my average carbs 97g. That's the lowest since I started this... and I've lost a kilo in a week before. So how do I justify going that low with cals/carbs if it's just gonna give me the same result as when it was higher?

Every other time I've tried to lose weight (and believe me, it's happened a lot), I've been ecstatic with 1 pound in a week. And now I'm not happy with 2? ****, I need to fix my brain...

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OK, here's where the psychological **** comes into weight loss.

Today I stepped on the scales and I've lost a kilo since last week. That should be freaking amazing. It was last Thursday, so a kilo (2.2lb) in 6 days.

And yet my brain went 'Oh, shouldn't it have been more than that?'

Because this week my average cals have been 1040, and my average carbs 97g. That's the lowest since I started this... and I've lost a kilo in a week before. So how do I justify going that low with cals/carbs if it's just gonna give me the same result as when it was higher?

Every other time I've tried to lose weight (and believe me, it's happened a lot), I've been ecstatic with 1 pound in a week. And now I'm not happy with 2? ****, I need to fix my brain...
2.2lbs is great.

2.2 (lbs lost) * 3500(calories in a lb) = 7700 (total caloric deficit over the week)

That equates to a 1,100 deficit per day.

Your average calories were 1040, if this weight loss is all fat, your maintenance level would be 1040+1100= 2140. (it probably isn't btw, its too early to make that calculation, but this is just to demonstrate the 1kg loss is the upper limits of what you should really expect).

This isn't the same result as when calories were higher, because weight loss != fat loss. Weight loss includes water loss. In the short term you can't really consider weight loss to be representative of fat loss.

The only way you can correlate weight loss with fat loss is in the longer term when you log. There is nothing bad about this weeks loss, it's all good, you did perfectly and the results were in line with that

Edit, just noticed 6 days

You are silly you know (I mean that in a nice way). 1283 per day. 1040+1283=2323 maintenance. That is not far off my maintenance as a 6ft 2 version of this (with slightly whiter teeth)

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2.2lbs is great.

2.2 (lbs lost) * 3500(calories in a lb) = 7700 (total caloric deficit over the week)

That equates to a 1,100 deficit per day.

Your average calories were 1040, if this weight loss is all fat, your maintenance level would be 1040+1100= 2140. (it probably isn't btw, its too early to make that calculation, but this is just to demonstrate the 1kg loss is the upper limits of what you should really expect).

This isn't the same result as when calories were higher, because weight loss != fat loss. Weight loss includes water loss. In the short term you can't really consider weight loss to be representative of fat loss.

The only way you can correlate weight loss with fat loss is in the longer term when you log. There is nothing bad about this weeks loss, it's all good, you did perfectly and the results were in line with that

Edit, just noticed 6 days

You are silly you know (I mean that in a nice way). 1283 per day. 1040+1283=2323 maintenance. That is not far off my maintenance as a 6ft 2 version of this (with slightly whiter teeth)



Tbf, I should probably stop using kilos. It's the '1' that's getting me down, I think. But working it in pounds right now is likely to **** with my brain more... It's basically a toss up between feeling momentarily bad (OK, a few hours) and feeling bad constantly.

Plus side, I just ordered 500g of Inositol. Even at 2g daily, that'd last me 'til the end of the year.

26.4 lb lost.

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Tbf, I should probably stop using kilos. It's the '1' that's getting me down, I think. But working it in pounds right now is likely to **** with my brain more... It's basically a toss up between feeling momentarily bad (OK, a few hours) and feeling bad constantly.

Plus side, I just ordered 500g of Inositol. Even at 2g daily, that'd last me 'til the end of the year.
lbs is easier though because 3500 calories = 1lb, and 3500 per week = 500 calories deficit per day (so its very easy to do a quick calc to keep expectations in order). So you know 500 calories deficit (1lb) is a pretty damn good rate (it's the rate I have lost at over the last couple of years). 1000 calories deficit is a very good rate (2lbs). Anything over that is basically guaranteed water because its almost impossible to make that kind of deficit.

Honestly, for you with PCOS, expect this to slow a little. I don't say that to be annoying, but to keep expectations realistic and prevent a brain crash later. Anything over 1lb is really ****ing good with PCOS, seriously. It's one of those "legit" weight loss ****er uppers. If you can lose at 1.5lbs per week, that will be absolutely magnificent.

Will also say congrats on your logging btw, ****ing perfect, and consistent, and I'm jealous. Much better than mine has been.

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lbs is easier though because 3500 calories = 1lb, and 3500 per week = 500 calories deficit per day (so its very easy to do a quick calc to keep expectations in order). So you know 500 calories deficit (1lb) is a pretty damn good rate (it's the rate I have lost at over the last couple of years). 1000 calories deficit is a very good rate (2lbs). Anything over that is basically guaranteed water because its almost impossible to make that kind of deficit.

Honestly, for you with PCOS, expect this to slow a little. I don't say that to be annoying, but to keep expectations realistic and prevent a brain crash later. Anything over 1lb is really ****ing good with PCOS, seriously. It's one of those "legit" weight loss ****er uppers. If you can lose at 1.5lbs per week, that will be absolutely magnificent.
That's the thing, I know that but my brain won't shut up anyway. When I started this, 1lb a week was a goal that seemed unlikely. Now I'm down half a stone (water, most likely, but it's still numbers on the scale) and it's like 'Why is this not something I'm celebrating?'

Gotta get the brain in order otherwise I'll end up like my sister, and I definitely don't want that. Though here's good news: Tomorrow I'll be eating over 2000 cals, but if I can spend the rest of the week at my usual just-over-1000, my average will still be only 1150-ish. So I don't even need to make up for it. And I had pizza tonight. Granted, it was a ****ing tiny one, but still, pizza! Hands down, this is the best diet plan I've ever done, mate, thanks for putting me onto it.

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Thanks.

Though I'm sure when I've been logging for 325 days, I'll be far less consistent.

26.4 lb lost.

Still a fat ****, but getting better.
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Ok so update from me, not sure when I last did. Still going, but had a really crappy week this month with a 2800 average. I can still salvage it back into decent weight loss territory if I stay on 2000 and a bit below for the rest.

Weight back down at 196.4 today. Why? Cos weird.

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Thanks.

Though I'm sure when I've been logging for 325 days, I'll be far less consistent.
Np - it's the way to lose when you absolutely want to leave nothing to chance and get the job done.

Your brain will kinda chill out later on in the logging, eventually. Once the statistics pile up it gets difficult to ignore.

Yeh, been logging for a while now I guess lol.
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Weight still hovering around the 196ish mark. Average a little on the high side, 2191 for the last 7 days. Not going to salvage the month into a decent weight loss one, but no gain is good considering week 2

Need to get my proper weight loss hat on and get this **** finished, only a stone or so to lose.

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OK, weighing day. Down another kilo. Calories not too bad this week, carbs not brilliant. But I'm being consistent.

Just have to keep telling myself '10lb down, 90 to go'.

26.4 lb lost.

Still a fat ****, but getting better.
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OK, weighing day. Down another kilo. Calories not too bad this week, carbs not brilliant. But I'm being consistent.

Just have to keep telling myself '10lb down, 90 to go'.
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I like this thread. I lost 100-120 lbs over the past 16 months after struggling with my weight my entire life. I went from chubby to fat to right on the cusp of morbidly obese over the years.

I followed a routine (and continue to follow it) of only drinking water and eating a small breakfast before work (I added this after I lost the weight to help maintain my current weight though), then a banana and a baby orange at 9:00 then a P&B sandwich with another banana and orange at noon and for dinner, I'd eat whatever I want but if it was unhealthy I'd proportion it better than I used to and I kept my caloric intake to around 1500-2000 a day.

I used to eat junk food snacks, drink sugary drinks and eat until I felt bloated. I literally never drank water before I decided I wanted to lose weight and now it's all I drink. You just need to commit to changing your lifestyle. I haven't had fast food in 15 months, soda in 2 years and any sugary drinks in 16 months.

Losing weight can be a struggle, you just have to stay in the fight. It's worth it in the end. Good luck to everyone trying to lose weight. Feel free to PM if you want somebody else to talk to about losing weight and whatnot.
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I like this thread. I lost 100-120 lbs over the past 16 months after struggling with my weight my entire life. I went from chubby to fat to right on the cusp of morbidly obese over the years.

I followed a routine (and continue to follow it) of only drinking water and eating a small breakfast before work (I added this after I lost the weight to help maintain my current weight though), then a banana and a baby orange at 9:00 then a P&B sandwich with another banana and orange at noon and for dinner, I'd eat whatever I want but if it was unhealthy I'd proportion it better than I used to and I kept my caloric intake to around 1500-2000 a day.

I used to eat junk food snacks, drink sugary drinks and eat until I felt bloated. I literally never drank water before I decided I wanted to lose weight and now it's all I drink. You just need to commit to changing your lifestyle. I haven't had fast food in 15 months, soda in 2 years and any sugary drinks in 16 months.

Losing weight can be a struggle, you just have to stay in the fight. It's worth it in the end. Good luck to everyone trying to lose weight. Feel free to PM if you want somebody else to talk to about losing weight and whatnot.
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I like this thread. I lost 100-120 lbs over the past 16 months after struggling with my weight my entire life. I went from chubby to fat to right on the cusp of morbidly obese over the years.

I followed a routine (and continue to follow it) of only drinking water and eating a small breakfast before work (I added this after I lost the weight to help maintain my current weight though), then a banana and a baby orange at 9:00 then a P&B sandwich with another banana and orange at noon and for dinner, I'd eat whatever I want but if it was unhealthy I'd proportion it better than I used to and I kept my caloric intake to around 1500-2000 a day.

I used to eat junk food snacks, drink sugary drinks and eat until I felt bloated. I literally never drank water before I decided I wanted to lose weight and now it's all I drink. You just need to commit to changing your lifestyle. I haven't had fast food in 15 months, soda in 2 years and any sugary drinks in 16 months.

Losing weight can be a struggle, you just have to stay in the fight. It's worth it in the end. Good luck to everyone trying to lose weight. Feel free to PM if you want somebody else to talk to about losing weight and whatnot.
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I like this thread. I lost 100-120 lbs over the past 16 months after struggling with my weight my entire life. I went from chubby to fat to right on the cusp of morbidly obese over the years.

I followed a routine (and continue to follow it) of only drinking water and eating a small breakfast before work (I added this after I lost the weight to help maintain my current weight though), then a banana and a baby orange at 9:00 then a P&B sandwich with another banana and orange at noon and for dinner, I'd eat whatever I want but if it was unhealthy I'd proportion it better than I used to and I kept my caloric intake to around 1500-2000 a day.

I used to eat junk food snacks, drink sugary drinks and eat until I felt bloated. I literally never drank water before I decided I wanted to lose weight and now it's all I drink. You just need to commit to changing your lifestyle. I haven't had fast food in 15 months, soda in 2 years and any sugary drinks in 16 months.

Losing weight can be a struggle, you just have to stay in the fight. It's worth it in the end. Good luck to everyone trying to lose weight. Feel free to PM if you want somebody else to talk to about losing weight and whatnot.
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So, monthly update from me.

Average calories 2286. Average weight for the month +1.8lbs.

Average calories are probably 2300 cos I slacked logging a bit. It's still a minor fat loss though (despite the weight gain avg) so no problems. The weird standing desk weight gain distorted things, my weight has been down at 193.4ish (rather than the 199 avg for the month on my SS), so next month the stats will show a different story.

In other news, I was warned against "getting too thin" for the first time today. I imagine this is going to occur more from now on, since I need to go below the point where I look my best.

In other other news, my wrists are ****ing tiny as there is no body fat on them any more. Mildly worried about that tbh, will mention it to the doctors next visit (worth doing given my joint / neck probs).


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Down another kilo. But I changed my goals this week so I'm further away than I was last week I figure 23 BMI should be good enough to get the surgery I need, so that's my goal. Which works out at 67kg/150lb. Yes fellas, take your jaws off the floor, a woman doesn't have to be 120lb to be a healthy weight, nor does she have to be a fat pig at 150lb. In fact a woman 5'8 or above, at 120lb is underweight. Who knew, right?

In other news, I fixed my version of the MFP extract TDEE spreadsheet on page 1 of this thread. If anyone else is having trouble with an error while trying to extract, go into the code and delete the 'body fat' line. I guess since I'm not logging that (whereas everything else logs automatically) the code won't go any further.

26.4 lb lost.

Still a fat ****, but getting better.
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Down another kilo. But I changed my goals this week so I'm further away than I was last week I figure 23 BMI should be good enough to get the surgery I need, so that's my goal. Which works out at 67kg/150lb. Yes fellas, take your jaws off the floor, a woman doesn't have to be 120lb to be a healthy weight, nor does she have to be a fat pig at 150lb. In fact a woman 5'8 or above, at 120lb is underweight. Who knew, right?

In other news, I fixed my version of the MFP extract TDEE spreadsheet on page 1 of this thread. If anyone else is having trouble with an error while trying to extract, go into the code and delete the 'body fat' line. I guess since I'm not logging that (whereas everything else logs automatically) the code won't go any further.
Congrats on the kilo! Every one counts. I'm 5'10 myself and my goal is somewhere b/t 150-170 (when i get down there and do some muscle building and recomp I'll figure out what weight looks best on my frame.) Yes I cannot believe how many men think all women should weigh 120. Really 5' or 5'10. Really? Pple just parrot what they hear and don't really think things through unfortunately. Anywho, keep up the good work. I just recommitted yesterday. Wish me luck!
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Down another kilo. But I changed my goals this week so I'm further away than I was last week I figure 23 BMI should be good enough to get the surgery I need, so that's my goal. Which works out at 67kg/150lb. Yes fellas, take your jaws off the floor, a woman doesn't have to be 120lb to be a healthy weight, nor does she have to be a fat pig at 150lb. In fact a woman 5'8 or above, at 120lb is underweight. Who knew, right?

In other news, I fixed my version of the MFP extract TDEE spreadsheet on page 1 of this thread. If anyone else is having trouble with an error while trying to extract, go into the code and delete the 'body fat' line. I guess since I'm not logging that (whereas everything else logs automatically) the code won't go any further.
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OK, me again. I started doing weigh-ins twice a week recently. What I've found is that my weight on a Saturday is down a kilo from the Wednesday, and my weight on the Wednesday is the same as the Saturday. I.e. I lose a kilo fast and then stay there. Not bothered usually.

Here's my dilemma (because there always is one and this could be TMI): It's my time of the month. AFAIK, that should increase my weight by, what, 3-7lb for the duration? Step on the scales this morning, braced for that number to jump up... and I'm down my usual kilo. I don't get it and it's starting to worry me.

However, a total of 6.5kg in just over 50 days (with some of those days being horribly non-diet-y). That's a stone (14lb). That's amazing. Still waiting for it to tail off. I'm guessing that'll happen when I get to 200lb, that's where I usually fail. And that'll be half way.

26.4 lb lost.

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