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Aurora · 06-08-2009, 05:31 PM

Did any Aussies hear of that woman on the news who says she saw herself dead? I realize this is a common tale of people who have 'come back'. But it does make me wonder. I used to think, maybe its just wishful thinking, kinda like if you believe you'll go to (whatever you believe), and you dont, you'd feel let down wouldnt you, so to make up for your missjudgement, you might say you went there, like believing your own lie? Well thats what I thought.
But then I started thinking, why can some of these people recall exactly what was going on in the room, if they were dead? Why is everyones 'journey' to the otherside personalized? Why some firm athiests come back believing?
I still dont believe in a 'god' or higher intelligence or religion, but Im started to think that 'matter' in the universe is energy, energy is matter, if you are energy, where does the energy go after you die? What if your energy is 'recycled' back into the earth? Im thinking there is more of a scientific reason behind this.
Hmm have I been watching too many science and the universe docos lately? lol

Cerrada · 06-08-2009, 05:39 PM

I've actually been doing a lot of research on this lately (the scientific and philosophical side...not religious). One of my friends died almost 2 years ago, and ever since his death I've been questioning my own mortality. I don't think that there is a heaven or hell but I do believe something may happen after our bodies die.

Madison_Rose · 06-08-2009, 06:12 PM

No such thing as too many documentaries! Just don't take them all at face value, and question everything.

The matter that makes up your body doesn't convert to energy when you die, it just undergoes chemical reactions - it decays - and becomes different types of matter. Like grass, flowers, and trees, and earth around and near your burial plot. The heat energy in your body will just dissipate, and warm the surrounding air slightly, just as it does when you're alive.

If it's conciousness you're thinking about, well, I haven't read enough philosophy to say much about that! But if you want to understand conciousness, the little bit of you that lives behind your eyes and thinks, and makes you you, then study philosophy. If you want to understand how energy behaves, study physics.

SilentLoner · 06-08-2009, 07:11 PM

I don't believe in an afterlife, but I find it possible that energy in some form can persist outside the body. I heard an explanation that gets into quantum physics quite a bit and I'm not sure I can repeat it, but it sounded very possible.

screwjack · 06-08-2009, 08:46 PM

Scientist theroize that near death experiences come from a mixture of pscyhadelics being released in the brain (dmt) and your ego trying to cope with the fact that it's going to die. There is no hard evidence that there is anything after you die, but who knows that is what faith is about. Myself I don't think about it because it is worthless to do so all it can do is lead to stress and worries, the now is the most important thing to focus on.

alpha dog · 06-08-2009, 08:49 PM

The beauty of life is that it can only occur once.

LaRibbon · 06-09-2009, 02:42 AM

Like you I don't buy into the religious / God / spirit stuff..I think there is a scientific explanation for everything...but I have thought the same thing - where does our energy go?

alpha dog · 06-09-2009, 02:48 AM

Energy does not go anywhere. It remains in the universe. Energy is neither destroyed nor created. Energy is not some spiritual term that describes some ephemeral diffuse gas. It is a physics term that describes how \"work\" is done. To change something from one state to another, one needs energy. The energy in our body that performs work in the form of neural electric impulses, action potentials, etc is simply not used when we die and diffuses to the outer environment. We expend energy all day and it is transferred to work or remains unused. This is no different from death.

Zephyr · 06-09-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by alpha dog

Energy does not go anywhere. It remains in the universe. Energy is neither destroyed nor created. Energy is not some spiritual term that describes some ephemeral diffuse gas. It is a physics term that describes how \"work\" is done. To change something from one state to another, one needs energy. The energy in our body that performs work in the form of neural electric impulses, action potentials, etc is simply not used when we die and diffuses to the outer environment. We expend energy all day and it is transferred to work or remains unused. This is no different from death.

Well put. The word 'energy' I think suffers almost as much as the word 'quantum' when it comes to supernatural new age-y stuff.

I think a lot of people say 'energy' to mean some kind of soul, or supernatural life force, or something. But then they confuse it with the scientific concept of energy, which is quite different. Raised eyebrows ensue.

Ericisme · 06-09-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

Did any Aussies hear of that woman on the news who says she saw herself dead? I realize this is a common tale of people who have 'come back'. But it does make me wonder. I used to think, maybe its just wishful thinking, kinda like if you believe you'll go to (whatever you believe), and you dont, you'd feel let down wouldnt you, so to make up for your missjudgement, you might say you went there, like believing your own lie? Well thats what I thought.
But then I started thinking, why can some of these people recall exactly what was going on in the room, if they were dead? Why is everyones 'journey' to the otherside personalized? Why some firm athiests come back believing?
I still dont believe in a 'god' or higher intelligence or religion, but Im started to think that 'matter' in the universe is energy, energy is matter, if you are energy, where does the energy go after you die? What if your energy is 'recycled' back into the earth? Im thinking there is more of a scientific reason behind this.
Hmm have I been watching too many science and the universe docos lately? lol

Oh yea, she did see herself dead. It was a glitch in death. God has Geek Squad working on it. It'll be back up and running in no time. That's why God created geeks, to do his bidding when his own creations(death) fail.

njodis · 06-09-2009, 05:00 PM

I'm terrified of the concept of death. It's comforting to try to believe that there is life after death, but I really don't think there is, and it's something I don't like to think about.

Hold me.

Ericisme · 06-09-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by njodis

I'm terrified of the concept of death. It's comforting to try to believe that there is life after death, but I really don't think there is, and it's something I don't like to think about.

Hold me.

But yea, rotting in the ground sounds perfect. Better than going to hell since you weren't born into religion and were "blinded" by all of society.

Desperate · 06-09-2009, 09:36 PM

Well unlike some of you, I actually do believe in the possibility of life after death. I believe in re-incarnation. I was watching a case about a four year old who would have nightmares about being in a plane that was hit and he died.. He would tell his parents that the Japanese hit his plane.. He even knew the name of the plane and such.. He also knew his name(which i forgot, lol) and so his parents did some research and found out that that person actually existed and that he died in the war after a Japanese plane hit it... How is a four year old child supposed to know that?.. Of course, this could all be a hoax and so but I still believe in re-incarnation because of the constant feelings of deja-vu when doing something for the first time..

Life is a mystery and we're just not meant to know everything.. We can just theorize and have our own beliefs as to why and how we got here, what happens once we leave, etc.. LOl.. I love philosophy.

RoninDistance · 06-09-2009, 09:57 PM

Any links to the story would be appreciated. I've been thinking a lot about this in the past few days. My own thoughts on the subject are probably too chaotic and rooted in my Christian upbringing to be of any help, so I'll just keep them to myself. All I will say is that life is not so simple, so why should death be?

Desperate · 06-09-2009, 10:01 PM

Charles: Yea I know what I said don't have much to do with philosophy but all I said was I love philosophy.. That's all I said.. And I believe in life after death because I'm very open-minded and I think that anything is possible.. I think we're all free to believe what we want.. Don't you think so? From the looks of it, you don't believe in it and probably think its all just a bunch of non-sense. Well that's okay and I respect your beliefs.

Desperate · 06-09-2009, 10:07 PM

LOL I don't care.. I'm sticking to my thoughts and beliefs no matter what you or anybody else think..

Desperate · 06-09-2009, 10:16 PM

As you do? LOL.. I'm just letting you know that though you believe I'm "wrong"(Maybe I am, maybe I'm not) I'm sticking with my believes.. Everyone is free to do so.. I was just saying that I don't care that you don't want to change your thoughts. Don't. Thank you, have a nice day.

Aurora · 06-09-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by charles bronson

What you just described is not philosophy, but some weird mysticism/religious nonsense. Philosophy is based on logical arguments that can be clearly defined and followed through. Putting together random theories made out of the blue does not constitute philosophpical thinking. Just wanted to clear that up. I am getting sick of everyone claiming that some random voodoo happenings that occured somehow constitute their personal philosophy.

Philosophy has to be logical? Who says? Philosophy is not science.

Aurora · 06-09-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by charles bronson

Good. I dont respect your beliefs, however, because they are wrong. Dont expect me to change that thought because you were *nice*.

No one said you have to change your beliefs. Everyones entitled to debate in a 'nice' and respectful way. There is no need for controversy.

Desperate · 06-09-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by charles bronson

You dont make any sense. Where is the logic in anything that you say?

LOL that's the problem.. I don't think too logically.. I don't really care either.. I like that I don't. I like that I think different from most.. You probably think I'm a weirdo but it's cool.. I am who I am.. Don't judge me because of my thoughts and beliefs.. I'm not judging you.. It's kinda funny actually..

06-08-2009, 05:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Aurora Status: SAS Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia. Gender: Female Age: 24 Posts: 850	Life after Death. Did any Aussies hear of that woman on the news who says she saw herself dead? I realize this is a common tale of people who have 'come back'. But it does make me wonder. I used to think, maybe its just wishful thinking, kinda like if you believe you'll go to (whatever you believe), and you dont, you'd feel let down wouldnt you, so to make up for your missjudgement, you might say you went there, like believing your own lie? Well thats what I thought. But then I started thinking, why can some of these people recall exactly what was going on in the room, if they were dead? Why is everyones 'journey' to the otherside personalized? Why some firm athiests come back believing? I still dont believe in a 'god' or higher intelligence or religion, but Im started to think that 'matter' in the universe is energy, energy is matter, if you are energy, where does the energy go after you die? What if your energy is 'recycled' back into the earth? Im thinking there is more of a scientific reason behind this. Hmm have I been watching too many science and the universe docos lately? lol __________________ I tell you everything that is really nothing, and nothing of what is everything, do not be fooled by what I am saying. Please listen carefully and try to hear what I am not saying. ~ Charles C. Finn

06-08-2009, 05:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Cerrada Status: Here, there & everywhere Join Date: May 2009 Location: Georgia Gender: Female Age: 21 Posts: 141	I've actually been doing a lot of research on this lately (the scientific and philosophical side...not religious). One of my friends died almost 2 years ago, and ever since his death I've been questioning my own mortality. I don't think that there is a heaven or hell but I do believe something may happen after our bodies die. __________________ Strange, we ran down desperate streets and carved our names in the flesh of the city. The sun was stagnated somewhere beyond the rim of the horizon and the darkness is a mystery of curves and lines. Still, we lay under the emptiness and drifted slowly outward, and somewhere in the wilderness we found salvation scratched into the earth like a message.

06-08-2009, 06:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
Madison_Rose Status: conservative gay hamster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Gender: Female Age: 27 Posts: 1,307	No such thing as too many documentaries! Just don't take them all at face value, and question everything. The matter that makes up your body doesn't convert to energy when you die, it just undergoes chemical reactions - it decays - and becomes different types of matter. Like grass, flowers, and trees, and earth around and near your burial plot. The heat energy in your body will just dissipate, and warm the surrounding air slightly, just as it does when you're alive. If it's conciousness you're thinking about, well, I haven't read enough philosophy to say much about that! But if you want to understand conciousness, the little bit of you that lives behind your eyes and thinks, and makes you you, then study philosophy. If you want to understand how energy behaves, study physics. __________________ Freethinker? Skeptic? Agnostic? Atheist? Not sure? www.the-brights.net

06-08-2009, 07:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
SilentLoner Status: Otaku Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lost in thought, though occasionally I may be located at an anime convention. Gender: Female Age: 22 Posts: 2,452	I don't believe in an afterlife, but I find it possible that energy in some form can persist outside the body. I heard an explanation that gets into quantum physics quite a bit and I'm not sure I can repeat it, but it sounded very possible. __________________ "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.” -Plato "When a cold wind blows it chills you - chills you to the bone. But there's nothing in nature that freezes your heart like years of being alone." OTAKU UNITE! “We honor Dr. Tiller’s legacy of service to women.” Dr. George Tiller 1941 -2009 Memorial Web Page http://www.iamdrtiller.com/ http://www.remembertiller.com/

06-08-2009, 08:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
screwjack Status: SAS Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pacific NW Gender: Male Posts: 986	Scientist theroize that near death experiences come from a mixture of pscyhadelics being released in the brain (dmt) and your ego trying to cope with the fact that it's going to die. There is no hard evidence that there is anything after you die, but who knows that is what faith is about. Myself I don't think about it because it is worthless to do so all it can do is lead to stress and worries, the now is the most important thing to focus on. __________________ But what exactly is social anxiety? It’s the experience of apprehension or worry that arises from the possibility, either real or imagined, that one will be evaluated or judged in some manner by others.

06-08-2009, 08:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
alpha dog Status: Permanently Banned Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 71	The beauty of life is that it can only occur once.

06-09-2009, 02:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
LaRibbon Status: Temporarily Banned Join Date: May 2009 Gender: Female Posts: 487	Like you I don't buy into the religious / God / spirit stuff..I think there is a scientific explanation for everything...but I have thought the same thing - where does our energy go?

06-09-2009, 02:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
alpha dog Status: Permanently Banned Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 71	Energy does not go anywhere. It remains in the universe. Energy is neither destroyed nor created. Energy is not some spiritual term that describes some ephemeral diffuse gas. It is a physics term that describes how \"work\" is done. To change something from one state to another, one needs energy. The energy in our body that performs work in the form of neural electric impulses, action potentials, etc is simply not used when we die and diffuses to the outer environment. We expend energy all day and it is transferred to work or remains unused. This is no different from death.

06-09-2009, 05:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
njodis Status: kermit in shock Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ontario Gender: Male Posts: 7,713	I'm terrified of the concept of death. It's comforting to try to believe that there is life after death, but I really don't think there is, and it's something I don't like to think about. Hold me.

06-09-2009, 09:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Desperate Status: SAS Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Cali Gender: Female Age: 20 Posts: 358	Well unlike some of you, I actually do believe in the possibility of life after death. I believe in re-incarnation. I was watching a case about a four year old who would have nightmares about being in a plane that was hit and he died.. He would tell his parents that the Japanese hit his plane.. He even knew the name of the plane and such.. He also knew his name(which i forgot, lol) and so his parents did some research and found out that that person actually existed and that he died in the war after a Japanese plane hit it... How is a four year old child supposed to know that?.. Of course, this could all be a hoax and so but I still believe in re-incarnation because of the constant feelings of deja-vu when doing something for the first time.. Life is a mystery and we're just not meant to know everything.. We can just theorize and have our own beliefs as to why and how we got here, what happens once we leave, etc.. LOl.. I love philosophy.

06-09-2009, 09:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
RoninDistance Status: Back Alley Space Boy Join Date: May 2009 Gender: Male Age: 28 Posts: 330	Any links to the story would be appreciated. I've been thinking a lot about this in the past few days. My own thoughts on the subject are probably too chaotic and rooted in my Christian upbringing to be of any help, so I'll just keep them to myself. All I will say is that life is not so simple, so why should death be?

06-09-2009, 10:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Desperate Status: SAS Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Cali Gender: Female Age: 20 Posts: 358	Charles: Yea I know what I said don't have much to do with philosophy but all I said was I love philosophy.. That's all I said.. And I believe in life after death because I'm very open-minded and I think that anything is possible.. I think we're all free to believe what we want.. Don't you think so? From the looks of it, you don't believe in it and probably think its all just a bunch of non-sense. Well that's okay and I respect your beliefs.

06-09-2009, 10:07 PM	#16 (permalink)
Desperate Status: SAS Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Cali Gender: Female Age: 20 Posts: 358	LOL I don't care.. I'm sticking to my thoughts and beliefs no matter what you or anybody else think..

06-09-2009, 10:16 PM	#17 (permalink)
Desperate Status: SAS Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Cali Gender: Female Age: 20 Posts: 358	As you do? LOL.. I'm just letting you know that though you believe I'm "wrong"(Maybe I am, maybe I'm not) I'm sticking with my believes.. Everyone is free to do so.. I was just saying that I don't care that you don't want to change your thoughts. Don't. Thank you, have a nice day.