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Old 08-05-2011, 05:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default Chronic lack of motivation or ambition = depression? Or laziness?

For the past year or so, I haven't considered myself depressed. Frustrated and anxious and neurotic, but never depressed (despite having been repeatedly diagnosed with major clinical depression). I figured, "I don't really feel sad so that must not be it."

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I have no motivations or ambitions, and I think this has largely to do with the fact that nothing really makes me happy. Nothing is capable of making me happy or content for a sustained period of time (i.e. more than a minute), nothing brings me joy. Not old hobbies or interests, not my family.

I assumed for the longest time that maybe this was just my personality. That I'm lazy and unmotivated and indecisive and need to just decide to BUCK UP. That if I made a concerted effort, everything would change. It's that I just don't have the energy or desire to make that effort.

Do you suppose I'm depressed? What would you suggest I do if I can't afford to get help? For the record: talk therapy has never helped me and I've been through about 5-10 different antidepressants/anti-anxiety meds. I feel very lost right now, and discouraged - I don't know what to do anymore, and I know if it keeps on like this...why bother?
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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exercise some and eat healthy. easier said than done but once you get going, it helps. try out the mediterranean diet for a couple weeks and see if anything changes.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/t...terranean-diet

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dep...ercise/MH00043
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Old 08-06-2011, 02:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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I feel the same way I lack motivation in such a big way with most of my daily life stuff including at work that it ends up making me depressed just thinking about it and then if I dont do the task I end up feeling anxious about it because I feel like I am never going to get my life sorted and on track.
Its horrible feeling but years just pass by and I havent even achieved anything or done anything and that usually makes me feel even more anxious and depressed.
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Well, this is how I feel, and I consider myself depressed. It's stupid though, because no one really ever explains to you that this is what depression can look like. When you learn about depression, or see something about it on tv, it's always this severe dip in your regular, happy mood, not just a constant flat-lining of slightly low mood.

I also feel like it's an anxiety-fueled depression. I know for me, at least, some of the "laziness" or lack of energy stems from the fact that basically doing anything will spike my anxiety levels. If I have to do anything that requires decision making (from picking out an outfit, to deciding what time I should get out of bed, to deciding where to go and finding directions), it always feels like this huge mountain to climb, and often I just end up ignoring it and opting for a few more hours in front of the computer screen instead.

My one triumph of today was that I finally got my external hard drive installed on my comp. It's been sitting around for over a month, but it's always seemed like too much effort to figure out how it works. today I was finally bored enough that I did it.

I've literally been sitting in front of this comp screen all day minus about 2.5 hours. Bleh, my life.
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Sometimes people dont realise that they are depressed, your symptoms sound like you are. I have bouts of feeling like that, and I know it is related to the anxiety problems. My life revolves around my problem and in that way most of the time I can cope with the anxiety, however the realisation that my life is pretty limited catches me up & I get seriously depressed, as bad as I do when I have exposed to a situation that causes me an anxiety/panic attack. The depression can last an infinite amount if time. Have a chat with your Doc.
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For the past year or so, I haven't considered myself depressed. Frustrated and anxious and neurotic, but never depressed (despite having been repeatedly diagnosed with major clinical depression). I figured, "I don't really feel sad so that must not be it."

However...

I have no motivations or ambitions, and I think this has largely to do with the fact that nothing really makes me happy. Nothing is capable of making me happy or content for a sustained period of time (i.e. more than a minute), nothing brings me joy. Not old hobbies or interests, not my family.

I assumed for the longest time that maybe this was just my personality. That I'm lazy and unmotivated and indecisive and need to just decide to BUCK UP. That if I made a concerted effort, everything would change. It's that I just don't have the energy or desire to make that effort.

Do you suppose I'm depressed? What would you suggest I do if I can't afford to get help? For the record: talk therapy has never helped me and I've been through about 5-10 different antidepressants/anti-anxiety meds. I feel very lost right now, and discouraged - I don't know what to do anymore, and I know if it keeps on like this...why bother?

This is such a common thing and you need to find your reasons.



1. Love addiction
You feel love and closeness and intimacy is the only way to true happiness and well being and so think there is no reason to learn to cope on your own because it is pointless. Self help seems cold and mechanical. You might feel resentful towards self help because you feel the only way to be helped is by talking to someone about your feelings or your situation or having someone to love.
2. Perfectionist
You think you must do self help perfectly otherwise it wont work. You may think you must follow every instruction down to the word in a self help book and feel overwhelmed or as if it wont work if you cannot grasp something in the book. You might be afraid of making mistakes or wont end up doing things properly and so don't want to take the risk of having that happen.
3. Fear of disapproval
You might think that sharing your negative thoughts with a therapist will result in his/her disapproval because you think they are shameful or you appear foolish. Being reluctant to share you thoughts might actually make the therapist frustrated and so you feel disapproved of and so retreat even more.
4. Putting the cart before the horse.
You think motivation comes first before action and so you wait around until you feel motivated to do something to help yourself. Since you don't feel motivated you do nothing. You might feel lethargic and lack energy to do almost anything and have no motivation the only way is to to action and start doing something to get motivation to show up.
5. Unexpressed anger
You might have reacted negatively to something your therapist said or to their personality. Rather than expressing your feelings directly, you do so indirectly such as through cancelling appointments or being argumentive or not completing assignments.
6. Hopelessness
You feel your suffering and problems will go on forever and any effort will result in failure and so you rather do nothing.
7. Coercion sensitivity
You feel your therapist is tying to push or boss you around or force you to do things and so you resist and refuse to do them.
8. Fatalism
You think your feelings are controlled by things beyond your control like hormones, fate, chemical imbalances, temperament or how other people treat you. There seems little point in doing anything since you feel you cannot control your own feelings.
9. Fear of blame
If you accept the idea you are responsible for you emotions you feel you will be blamed for them. You therefore don't assume responsibility for your own emotions and might even blame other people for the way you feel.
10. Internal vs. external expectations
You feel you must meet the expectations of other people around you. You might base you self esteem on the praise or critisism you get. When you are critisized you feel sad, angry, hurt, depressed, anxious. You are so threatened and uncomfortable by the feeling of not meeting the needs of others you do nothing in order to keep the expectations of everyone around you to a minimum.
11. Resistance to a fast, direct action approach
You believe you can only get betetr by personal growth and deep insight through exploring childhood memories over many years. The idea of getting better throught the use of training program like cogntive behavioural therapy seems like a gimmick and not to be taken seriously.
12. Self labeling
You think of yourself as lazy or stupid and so you act according to those beliefs. You might think you are a lazy person and so tell yourself you are too lazy to try to help yourself.
13. Entitlement
You feel you are entitled to happiness and fair treatment from others. You resent the idea that you are responsible for the way you feel and think you should not have to do anything to help a difficult situation. You might think you shouldn't have to do any therapy because happiness and well being is something that should come naturally to you without any effort on your behalf.
14. Fear of change
You fear that change might be even worse or is too hard, despite feeling miserable each and everyday. The anxiety generated by the idea that things can improve is too much and so the current state you are in seems preferable and more familiar. You might think your indentity relies on you having anxiety or depression or feeling like a failure and so you resist giving up your problems.
15. Shame
You feel your problematic feelings and thoughts are something shameful and so avoid them as much as possible. You might not want to share things with a therapist or might believe certain feelings and thoughts are not relevent to share.
16. Emotional reasoning
You might experience set backs or progress seems slow and so you FEEL like things are not working or are hopeless and so give up because the feeling convinces you to do so.
17. Low frustration tolerance
You expect immediate results and can't stick with therapy if you don't get results when you expected them. Set backs and slow progress is difficult to tolerate and so you give up.
18. Superman/Superwoman
You think if you seek help or ask for help you are weak. If somebody tries to help you or give you advice you might have the urge to resist by saying their suggestion will not work or might come up with your own and suggest that to them instead.
19. Lack of direction
You find it difficult to think of anything positive because you are feeling depressed and as a result thinking seems slow and you cannot concentrate and can't find out what's bothering you.
20. Realism of anxiety
You don't want to work on your problem because you think your problems are actually real. You might think that thinking more positive is ignoring the reality of the situation. You might think people don't actually like me and so trying to think differently feels like it will not help.
21. Reluctance to give up negative feelings
You don't want to give up your negative feelings because you believe it is healthy or helpful to you or are important in some way. You might believe worrying about how will come accorss to others will help you perform better but such worry infact does the complete oppposite. You might think your anxiety is very important and others must respect that you feel that way and accomodate themselves for you and when they don't you feel resentful.
22. The medical model
You believe only medications can make you better because you believe anxiety is rooted in a chemical imbalance (which many doctors will tell you anyway).
23. Jumping to conclusions
You think it is not in your power to take effective action because you are in the habit of saying "I can but.." or "I can't because..."
24. Undervaluing the rewards
You see the rewards of therapy and a more satisfying life is not worth the effort and so take no action.
25. Fear of failure
You believe putting in effort and not succeeding would be an overwhelming defeat and so don't want to even try.
26. Fear of success
You feel success is too much of a risk because you feel it is based on chance and so you think you could not keep up the act and will feel your efforts will raise the expectations of others. So the chance that you may fail after succeeding makes you feel like people will think of you as a total loser. If you succeed you may believe that people will then expect even more from you and so you don't bother trying at all.
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This is how I've been for a few years. I was skipping school constantly because I was so tired and "lazy" which just resulted in my school calling the ambulance and cops to my house and I had to be transported to the hospital to have a psych. evaluation. I thought it was rude because I was in the middle of having a really amazing dream when they knocked on my bedroom door and made me get up. I was so embarrassed because my Brother's friend is a paramedic and he was the one driving the ambulance, and I knew the female paramedic (who was really nice...I loved her) because her daughter was a grade or two above me and we talked a few times. I knew one of the cops that came and the other was a Rookie. I felt like they assumed I was a crazy and useless p.o.s and to make things worse...I was in a damned nightgown and almost fell on my rear-end because of the ice.

I'm not even sure if it's pure laziness but they took my lack of motivation as an indicator to assume I was depressed and...well, I am...I just never really noticed. I REALLY want to change and make things better, but I just can't try..I don't know what it is. You sound close to me and it is possible that you are suffering symptoms of depression. I highly suggest you find someone like a Doc to talk to about things or you'll end up beating yourself up in the future like I have.
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Sounds like a classic case of major depression. I'm assuming you've felt this way for awhile.

How do you sleep?
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depressed is a feeling. depression is an illness. an inability to feel anything.
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Coming from a dark place is the following remarks, but I think they'll be relatable: Do you ever get sick of reading self-help suggestions, other people's comments on topics like depression and anxiety?

I know I do, because all the self-help in the world doesn't change much at all.

That said, I'll add my two-cents, words which have been repeated time and time again I'm sure in this closed loop of logical and historical limitations.

If you look at those who have ambition, those who have done such a fine job of becoming doctors, lawyers, Harvard grads, devil-may-care entrepreneurs and start-up incubationists, the common factor is almost always...what? A nurturing, supportive environment early on, a sense of continuity and connection with others, the sense that what they are doing matters not just to themselves alone, but to mom, god, everyone in the hacienda, whomever. The distinct problem with American society is this lack of community at all levels, most notably in our homes. We live as if the individual is all that matters, which causes us to celebrate the few marginal success stories (relative to those trying to become success stories, let alone to the sum total of the population), without really scrutinizing the coaching they received, the parents pushing them subtly or unsubtly, the lesson that they managed to imbibe somehow or other--that their success and their ambition matters, and should matter. The fruits of ambition may be overrated, as studies show, but for those of us just struggling not to waste our potential and our previously hard-earned educations, those of us left dangling in the wind wondering why we ought to care when no one else has ever really cheered for us, pushed us to succeed, well, big surprise, we can't work up the energy to struggle, yet we can't stop beating ourselves up for not being success-oriented since we once showed real promise.

If we can pick ourselves up long enough to try it, making a community for ourselves, as in the case of this forum, might help us internalize the beliefs we need to chase our dreams the way so many others do without having to consciously choose to. So, let's start with the most basic statements--Vedanta, your success matters. You are important, you have things to offer to the world that only you can develop and share, and what's more, your success or failure is not yours alone, but is born out by the rest of us; you are not alone, and you are needed in this f-ed up world with its billion and one problems.
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I think they work hand in hand, the depression brings out laziness, a general unwillingness to do anything out of a lack of motivation or desire. Sort of a What's the point? approach to everything in life. It's a gradual numbing of all your senses until you aren't able to feel much, enjoy much, or do much. Stasis.

That's how I define it. As to solutions, I don't know if I or anyone else on this website has a definite. If there was a quick fix to it, we'd all be doing it right now and this forum would be abandoned.

I guess you have to do your research, and figure out what works best for you. Though sadly, everything I've researched so far, there is no 'cure', only treatment...but I guess treating it is better than nothing, right?
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