"Women are women, curvy are not"

[diamondheart89]

It seems like people are always bashing one side or another. :/ Sometimes it's fat people bashing skinny people, other times it's skinny people bashing fat people. It seems like a trend where people begin by trying to support a certain physical trait and then proceed to bash the opposite of that trait, ignoring the fact that now they're doing the same thing they're trying to avoid to other people. Lol. It's kind of amusing yet also ridiculous. It's like stumbling onto some threads on here where guys try to support women with smaller breasts by bashing larger breasts and sometimes I wonder how many other people they've made self conscious or insecure by using this 'technique' to make one person feel better. Meh, people are people. Their bodies are theirs and are not the only thing to assess their worth over. I've seen people of all shapes and sizes and I've never thought someone was ''unmanly'' or ''unwomanly'' because of the way they looked. Not everyone is going to be attracted to every look, however that doesn't mean that look is lesser than any other. Sometimes I wonder what people would judge each other over if they lacked the sense of sight.

[EagerMinnow84]

Originally Posted by BKrakow

. in my opinion, it's ridiculous to use statements like "the average american woman is a size 12!!" to decry the use of skinny models in the fashion industry. yes, the models are often too skinny, but this isn't a logical justification as to why, because the average woman being a 12 is a symptom of the obesity epidemic and frankly not healthy.

Size 12 isn't necessarily "obese." I am a size 10-12 and I am nowhere near obese and I am not overweight. It all depends on height and body type.

I think that America isn't the only country that has these ideals of beauty.

In parts of Asia they sell skin lightening creams while we have spray tans and tanning beds. There are insane ideals of beauty everywhere. It is depressing.

[Bon]

It's not OK, for a campaign to say "Real women have curves" but it's acceptable for Madison Ave to shove down peoples throat that skinny is best?

10-12 is NOT fat. In fact Sty.., I know one woman who fits this mode well, and she is very attractive......Why don't you mention what you wrote to her.....Just food for thought, not trying to provoke........Nuff said.

Years and years ago, in a galaxy far away, "skinny" was NOT the norm.

[BKrakow]

Originally Posted by Bon

The world didn't start in the 20th century.

what's your point?

Originally Posted by EagerMinnow84

Size 12 isn't necessarily "obese." I am a size 10-12 and I am nowhere near obese and I am not overweight. It all depends on height and body type.

I definitely didn't mean to suggest that everyone who's a size 12 is obese...I know depending on height and proportions it can be a perfectly healthy size. like, I think it's far more attractive to see a model who is 5'9" and a size 10 or 12 than one who is 5'9" and a size 2. but a lot of women are not healthy at that weight and size, so I just feel it's wrong to make the argument "well it's the norm now therefore it's fine," when it's not fine or healthy for a lot of people (not trying to say it's always unhealthy, though).

I'm not trying to judge others' lifestyles but all I can say is if you hang out at an amusement park or mall for a day and observe the people around you, it's quite clear that something is definitely wrong with our lifestyle as a society. there are usually more obese (not slightly overweight, outright OBESE) people than there are healthy people, and there's also a good number of people that are so obese they can't even walk and have to use those motorized carts instead. it's a huge problem.

Originally Posted by PiscesVixen

I dislike the close-minded mentality some people have that we have to compare situations and bodies to feel better about ourselves. I think if you feel the need to put someone else down to feel better/good about yourself, it just shows how insecure you are.

amen. this is why I balk at statements like "real women have curves." it's hypocritical, plain and simple, and it's perpetuating the problem of body shaming by suggesting it's ok to shame women for NOT HAVING CURVES.

honestly, I've been on the receiving end of more vitriol and body shaming from people who were overweight than from people without weight issues. it's obviously due to insecurity, which I sympathize with, but that doesn't make it ok. I think a lot of overweight/obese people hold the belief that all skinny people must be completely secure and confident and therefore it's ok to comment on our weight because it won't affect us the way it would affect them. but that's incredibly problematic because a) it's not true; I've had to deal with insecurities about my weight from people calling me anorexic my whole life and telling me to eat a cheeseburger and whatever else and b) these are the same people who are always saying you can't and shouldn't judge someone's health/well-being/confidence/etc. on their weight...oh but apparently it's okay if the person is skinny, just not if they're fat.

I have zero respect for these hypocrites. they can kiss my skinny ***.

[PickleNose]

Originally Posted by Neptunus

To echo what others have said, there's nothing wrong with being curvy providing you're healthy.

My opinion is that there's nothing wrong with it as long as you're happy. Some people don't care about their health and would simply prefer to enjoy life as they are. Other people don't have a right to require them to. Or to try to browbeat them into caring.

[dkriot]

Originally Posted by Bon

It's not OK, for a campaign to say "Real women have curves" but it's acceptable for Madison Ave to shove down peoples throat that skinny is best?

10-12 is NOT fat. In fact Sty.., I know one woman who fits this mode well, and she is very attractive......Why don't you mention what you wrote to her.....Just food for thought, not trying to provoke........Nuff said.

Years and years ago, in a galaxy far away, "skinny" was NOT the norm.

Obesity was never the norm either. Yet it is slowly becoming acceptable. Being overweight is not healthy AT ALL. The world is becoming too political correct to point out the obvious. They call it being overweight because you are not at a healthy weight for your frame and height. People love to speak in hyperboles like if you are thin you must be unhealthy or something. The irony is amazing.

Also curves is one thing but rolls of disgusting body fat is another. Yet women who are clearly medically overweight seem to have no problems ranting about healthy women and lambasting men for not wanting 'real curvy women'. Give me a fing break.

[Bon]

Originally Posted by dkriot

Obesity was never the norm either. Yet it is slowly becoming acceptable. Being overweight is not healthy AT ALL. The world is becoming too political correct to point out the obvious. They call it being overweight because you are not at a healthy weight for your frame and height. People love to speak in hyperboles like if you are thin you must be unhealthy or something. The irony is amazing.

Also curves is one thing but rolls of disgusting body fat is another. Yet women who are clearly medically overweight seem to have no problems ranting about healthy women and lambasting men for not wanting 'real curvy women'. Give me a fing break.

Do your history, you maybe surprised. (I'm not saying it's right or wrong) I'm not going to bother with it, turning ugly.

People are forgetting that some (not all, let's be most specific) obese individuals, their problem is not food.

People are forgetting (not all, lets be most specific) the fashion model that suffers from anorexia to keep her a size 0-6.

[Ulysses]

Originally Posted by BKrakow

what's your point?



I definitely didn't mean to suggest that everyone who's a size 12 is obese...I know depending on height and proportions it can be a perfectly healthy size. like, I think it's far more attractive to see a model who is 5'9" and a size 10 or 12 than one who is 5'9" and a size 2. but a lot of women are not healthy at that weight and size, so I just feel it's wrong to make the argument "well it's the norm now therefore it's fine," when it's not fine or healthy for a lot of people (not trying to say it's always unhealthy, though).

I'm not trying to judge others' lifestyles but all I can say is if you hang out at an amusement park or mall for a day and observe the people around you, it's quite clear that something is definitely wrong with our lifestyle as a society. there are usually more obese (not slightly overweight, outright OBESE) people than there are healthy people, and there's also a good number of people that are so obese they can't even walk and have to use those motorized carts instead. it's a huge problem.

amen. this is why I balk at statements like "real women have curves." it's hypocritical, plain and simple, and it's perpetuating the problem of body shaming by suggesting it's ok to shame women for NOT HAVING CURVES.

honestly, I've been on the receiving end of more vitriol and body shaming from people who were overweight than from people without weight issues. it's obviously due to insecurity, which I sympathize with, but that doesn't make it ok. I think a lot of overweight/obese people hold the belief that all skinny people must be completely secure and confident and therefore it's ok to comment on our weight because it won't affect us the way it would affect them. but that's incredibly problematic because a) it's not true; I've had to deal with insecurities about my weight from people calling me anorexic my whole life and telling me to eat a cheeseburger and whatever else and b) these are the same people who are always saying you can't and shouldn't judge someone's health/well-being/confidence/etc. on their weight...oh but apparently it's okay if the person is skinny, just not if they're fat.

I have zero respect for these hypocrites. they can kiss my skinny ***.

I agree with this statement, seems to be a trend to rationalize bad behavior in this country by declaring it normal and proper, and this is easier then trying to be healthy(note I said healthy so that varies depending on what you are).

Beauty standards do vary, but that's a far cry from that and declaring unhealthy is good which seems to be the trend, its like the idea is well its too hard to exercise and eat right so I will just declare what I am as beautiful and normal, that way I won't have to change at all.

But to the basic article, I agree somewhat, Marylyn Monroe was fairly curvy, and she was held up as a paragon of beauty at one time, now she wouldn't have been at all, even though I and most others would agree she was one fine lady.

I think though that in regard to selling products, keeping women unhappy about what they are is deliberate, somebody happy about what they are likely wouldn't buy those products, so whatever standard you use it would tend to contribute to worse self esteem as it would always hold up this unattainable standard, because that keeps women unhappy buying products and buying other stuff to try and reach that standard, irrespective if this standard is attainable or healthy to reach.

[dkriot]

Originally Posted by Bon

Do your history, you maybe surprised. (I'm not saying it's right or wrong) I'm not going to bother with it, turning ugly.

People are forgetting that some (not all, let's be most specific) obese individuals, their problem is not food.

People are forgetting (not all, lets be most specific) the fashion model that suffers from anorexia to keep her a size 0-6.

A size 6 is anorexic? Wow this is news to me.

[Some Russian Guy]

Originally Posted by factmonger

Over the past few years, I gained a bit of weight. Having been the same weight all throughout my high school and middle school years, I was horrified. I struggled with accepting my new body. I had this exaggerated idea of my body. It was ugly. Unhealthy. Fat. My self esteem plummeted.

a tape worm inside your gut will do the trick

[PLarry]

I kinda think your junk determines if you are a dude or a chick. All else is irrelevant.

[wolfeyes]

Totally true that all body types are beautiful BUT like others said curvy and overweight are two different things. Curvy=good, overweight=unhealthy. I think it's ridiculous that there are movements suggesting people accept their bodies if they are overweight, it's like promoting heart attacks! It is different, of course, if someone was born with something that is wrong with them. In this case, they can't help it and should indeed embrace their figure.

[strawberryjulius]

What I'm tired of is skinny fat people, chomping on a chocolate bar and ignoring their dusty treadmills, telling pople "Overweight is unhealthy! Eat healthy and exercise!"

[phoenixwright]

I am not a supporter of the BBW movement. Being overweight and especially obese is not healthy. But I see way too many women who are within a healthy weight range and they still say outrageous things like they need to lose 30 pounds. These girls have BDD.

I'm not overweight myself but even then I still want to lose body fat to get six-pack abs so I can understand the want to go the extra mile. But it's different for a guy. If I lost body fat, it would not harm my physical appearance and health at all unless I cut down to a dangerously low level of body fat. Whereas if a girl loses body fat, she could lose it in her boobs, hips and ***. Which are all the right areas for a girl to have fat (in my opinion anyway. This white guy is all about "baby got back". Though I'm more of a chest and hip guy myself actually). I don't think there's anything wrong with a girl wanting to aim for a flat stomach. Flat stomaches are sexy. But sometimes that comes at a cost. Not every girl wins the lottery and manages to maintain big boobs, a nice firm, round butt and wide hips while having a flat stomach. There's a reason why strippers make good money and high-class prostitutes (escorts) are able to charge the premium that they do.

I don't mind skinny girls at all. I like skinny girls. And I don't mind girls with a "few extra pounds" if she's got a pretty face and she has "assets". But if a girl has boobs, hips and *** and manages to have a flat stomach and pretty face, WINNING. .

[Define Me]

Uhmmmmm, you can be a female and skinny and curvy as well.......I don't like Kim Kardashian tbh, won't say more about that.

[PickleNose]

Originally Posted by wolfeyes

I think it's ridiculous that there are movements suggesting people accept their bodies if they are overweight, it's like promoting heart attacks!

It's supposed to be a free country. But of course, we all know that's BS. Obviously, it's unacceptable to be happily overweight. People are supposed to harass you about it until they convince you that you're not supposed to choose your own path. It's like their civic doody or something.

No. There isn't really a "movement" that says you should live the way you want to (Imagine that. Some people might actually want to be free). There aren't enough of us to call it a movement. We're all supposed to join in together and focus on enriching our owners by staying healthy and paying them.

[Define Me]

Well....Being 'overweight' is not curvy, that's just fat hanging out.....

Let me tell you this story about a friend of mine, he died of a heartattack at the age of 23......He was like 50 lbs or 100 lbs overweight: He probably ate whatever he wanted, and that probably caused him to die.

So yeah, go ahead and eat whatever you want; live life how you want too. But if you die, well....Can't say I didn't tell you so.

Moral? Pigging out isn't a style of life, it's something you need to work on, because it's shortening your lifespan.

[phoenixwright]

Originally Posted by Define Me

Well....Being 'overweight' is not curvy, that's just fat hanging out.....

Let me tell you this story about a friend of mine, he died of a heartattack at the age of 23......He was like 50 lbs or 100 lbs overweight: He probably ate whatever he wanted, and that probably caused him to die.

So yeah, go ahead and eat whatever you want; live life how you want too. But if you die, well....Can't say I didn't tell you so.

Moral? Pigging out isn't a style of life, it's something you need to work on, because it's shortening your lifespan.

What the hell did he do to get a heart attack at 23? A cousin of mine is easily 50-100 pounds overweight, has cholestorol problems, Type II diabetes and he's in his mid-30s and still kicking.

I definitely don't recommend that anyone live that kind of lifestyle though. Your body is like a temple. It's ok to indulge here and there. I was naughty and indulged Saturday Night when going out to eat. But not every day. Eating out is like a treat, not an everyday thing. So I treat myself.

[AnxiousA]

I'm not sure I like the healthy=beautiful thing anymore than the curvy=beautiful thing. So only healthy people can be considered beautiful? We are all at different points in our journey - someone recovering from an eating disorder cannot be considered beautiful? Not everyone is blessed with health, or able to easily achieve it. Who is to say anyone isn't beautiful? Why are some people able to say who isn't acceptable? Someone with cancer is t healthy, someone who is anorexic isnt healthy.

It is wrong to say that fat people aren't acceptable. It is wrong to say thin people aren't acceptable. People (all people) should be accepted and valued. I think it is possible to accept something without it being something to pressure people to achieve. We need a message that everyone is okay, without exceptions.

[AnxiousA]

Originally Posted by Define Me

Well....Being 'overweight' is not curvy, that's just fat hanging out.....

Let me tell you this story about a friend of mine, he died of a heartattack at the age of 23......He was like 50 lbs or 100 lbs overweight: He probably ate whatever he wanted, and that probably caused him to die.

So yeah, go ahead and eat whatever you want; live life how you want too. But if you die, well....Can't say I didn't tell you so.

Moral? Pigging out isn't a style of life, it's something you need to work on, because it's shortening your lifespan.

I'd say that living in a way that drastically reduces your life span and quality of life isn't so much a life style choice, but indicative of an underlying problem, or an inability to change. Compulsive overheating disorder (and bulimia and Ed-nos) are real illnesses that affect real people - not all fat people are just pigging out. Some (many?) have real issues that need addressing, and judgement and scorn aren't helpful.

I'd imagine there must be underlying conditions or health problems regarding your friend - to for that young, at that weight, even with the unhealthiest of diets seems suprising to me. Obesity related conditions usually kick in around middle age.