Republicans Hitching A Ride On Libertarian's Success

[Thomas Paine]

I don't watch the news very often, but sometimes I turn on Fox once in a while just to see what the enemy is up to.

Lately I've been noticing them talking more and more about "tea party" protesters and making it sound like the protesters are republicans.

Anyone else notice this?

[Lisa]

'What the enemy is up to'... that made me lol.

I dont live in the States so I dont have an opinion on this.

[Thomas Paine]

Originally Posted by Lisa

'What the enemy is up to'... that made me lol.

I dont live in the States so I dont have an opinion on this.

“Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.” - Sun Tzu (and Green Day lol)

[Witan]

Originally Posted by Thomas Paine

I don't watch the news very often, but sometimes I turn on Fox once in a while just to see what the enemy is up to.

Lately I've been noticing them talking more and more about "tea party" protesters and making it sound like the protesters are republicans.

Anyone else notice this?

I lost any remaining respect for FOX news I may have had hidden away somewhere when I saw this episode of Hannity:



I was watching this with my mom and I literally turned to her, slackjawed, and had to ask "Did I just hear what I thought I heard??" It was so surreal.

Conservative pundits in this country have lost all touch with reality, and this shows it.

[rcapo89]

Originally Posted by Thomas Paine

I don't watch the news very often, but sometimes I turn on Fox once in a while just to see what the enemy is up to.

Lately I've been noticing them talking more and more about "tea party" protesters and making it sound like the protesters are republicans.

Anyone else notice this?

Yeah Fox News is infamous in the U.S. for having a conservative bias.

[The Strong Silent Type]

Originally Posted by Witan

Republicans in this country have lost all touch with reality, and this shows it. They're finally not afraid to say that 2+2=5.

They aren't all idiots... some of them are just special.

[millenniumman75]

Obama was just speaking about something called a MONOPOLY, which is ILLEGAL in the United States (Bell, Microsoft). When there is only one vendor, he can do whatever he wants with prices for his services. They are not bad people? Greedy would be the word.

Putting the insurance capability into one entity can be considered a monopoly.

[Frankie_Lee]

The protesters ARE Republicans aren't they? Obviously it's not completely homogeneous, but most are mindlessly toting the line of Hannity/Beck. Hannity is a neo-con/Republican mouthpiece and Beck is a Republican/wannabe libertarian.

Anyway if you listen to these teapartiers speak, they're not really ANYTHING. They don't think for themselves they just repeat buzzwords.

And what Libertarian success are you talking about? I honestly haven't heard a single thing about a Libertarian since Bob Barr's pedo mustache "ran" for president.

[stylicho]

Originally Posted by millenniumman75

Obama was just speaking about something called a MONOPOLY, which is ILLEGAL in the United States (Bell, Microsoft). When there is only one vendor, he can do whatever he wants with prices for his services. They are not bad people? Greedy would be the word.

Putting the insurance capability into one entity can be considered a monopoly.

Oligopolies are almost as bad. Its funny, because the goal of a business is to eliminate competition. But, as we have seen, that only hurts the country when businesses reach the too big to fail status.

[Thomas Paine]

Originally Posted by Frankie_Lee

And what Libertarian success are you talking about? I honestly haven't heard a single thing about a Libertarian since Bob Barr "ran" for president.

For a "third party", this is a success that you have even heard of him.

My point was that I noticed Fox "News" trying to use teaparty protesters to their own advantage, and pawning it off like there isn't much difference between a republican and a libertarian.

[coldmorning]

Originally Posted by Thomas Paine

My point was that I noticed Fox "News" trying to use teaparty protesters to their own advantage, and pawning it off like there isn't much difference between a republican and a libertarian.

Maybe what he's saying is that many of these 'libertarians' at these protests were in fact republicans in how they vote. There seems to be an awful lot of teaparty protesters yet independents, libertarians, etc. don't get very many votes. So where did all these protesters come from?... democratic voters?

If you voted republican then you approved, abetted and enjoyed the deficit spending of republicans which is the real reason why we have a massive national debt (though they would like to blame Obama for it). To turn around and say that the "debt is not my fault" and "how dare you try to tax me to pay for it" is delusional at best. The republican stance was to borrow, borrow, borrow and worry about the debt later. Whether the economy was good or bad, they borrowed money and cut taxes to buy votes. I highly doubt all these protesters were against this while it was happening.

I know there is a difference between the two in theory, but one always has to "judge a person, not by what he says, but how he acts". The vast majority of libertarians vote republican. 'nuff said.

[Joel]

Originally Posted by Witan

I lost any remaining respect for FOX news I may have had hidden away somewhere when I saw this episode of Hannity:



I was watching this with my mom and I literally turned to her, slackjawed, and had to ask "Did I just hear what I thought I heard??" It was so surreal.

Conservative pundits in this country have lost all touch with reality, and this shows it.

As long as radio and tv broadcast news stations aren't run by robots they'll be run by humans. Humans who have human minds, thoughts, ideologies and morals which whether consciously or subconsciously will show through in their take of the news, and for the audience, basically making it a question for which side to choose depending on your personal and political viewpoints. But when you're the most unpopular person in the room like Fox News, its more than likely because conservatism and the traditional values of the country aren't so popular anymore and being more or less against what the others are pushing for.

There is no totally un-bias network in the current major lineup to choose from, from MSNBC's 'racial overtone' report implying that all of the gun wielding townhall protesters were crazed, white, racists solely against Obama's skin color while showing a looped and cropped video of a gentleman with an AR-15 slung over his shoulder who later turned out to be this black guy (who rocks by the way!) or CNN's 'anti-gun' report on which weapons the AWB of 1994-2004 would keep off the streets and saying they would be "fully-automatic military style assault weapons and machine guns" which in reality would be nothing more than semi-automatic hunting rifles (meaning 1 shot with 1 pull of the trigger, full-autos however have been ban for private use since the 1920's, i.e. ever since they were invented into existence to present day).

I've never watched Hannity before but something I do find humorous about that video is its like if he was holding a red ball in his hand then says its a blue ball and keeps staring at you so confidently believing there is in fact to him a red ball in his hand. Its just so blatantly inaccurate and wrong its funny, I'm sure it also made every conservative viewer in the country do a double-take as to what they just heard. Don't know what his deal was there but he should have apologized for obviously getting it wrong lol.

"Conservative pundits in this country have lost all touch with reality, and this shows it." - Because someone on one of a network's shows makes a misinformed comment about a video just before playing it and having themselves corrected, it in your mind not only deems the whole station as crazies but an entire population who practice the conservative ideology of keeping traditional values in our country as well? O.o

Somehow I don't think even you rationally and honestly believe your own words there, but are only saying it because you feel an obligation to speak out and score a point for your "team" or steal one from the other?

Originally Posted by Thomas Paine

I don't watch the news very often, but sometimes I turn on Fox once in a while just to see what the enemy is up to.

Lately I've been noticing them talking more and more about "tea party" protesters and making it sound like the protesters are republicans.

Anyone else notice this?

There aren't Republican or Democratic networks (please note I'm referring to the major news networks, i.e. Fox, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc.), they're either more conservative or more liberal in how they bring you the news. Its obvious that Fox News is one of the more conservative networks but that really means nothing in saying they're all Republicans. If that was the case then the 35% of Obama's conservative Democratic staff wouldn't be opposed to his healthcare plan and preventing it from passing.

Contrary to what so many people have come to believe, there are actually a great many of both Republican liberals and Democratic conservatives. They're just simply different sets of views, not "teams".

The biggest problem in American politics I think besides government corruption is people not deciding for themselves what they truly believe based on information they've actually sought out for themselves, rather than information fed to them from a bias news network, and I'm referring to every single one of them.

Originally Posted by Lisa

I dont live in the States so I dont have an opinion on this.

What happens in American politics concerns everyone everywhere, you should have a say in it. What am I talking about? Well due to the building economic mess in America over the past decade, it and the future choices we make will ripple throughout the entire world. The Obama administration has lost faith in the private market and is meeting with the G20 nations to develop new worldwide rules to govern business and finance in this "ever-more-connected global economy", i.e. 'new world order'. (Take from it what you want)

Yahoo news report, "A year after financial crisis, a new world order emerges"

The US dollar's rapid inflation and devaluation, every other nation spending their US dollar-holdings faster than they're accumulating to filter them out of their economies, Obama continuing to borrow and spend like a drunk sailor, our ridiculously unpayable and rising financial debt to the rest of the world, and most recently China, our life-support, urging its citizens to buy gold and silver within just the last 2 years. It's no secret that the current system can not and will not last much longer, something big must happen to compensate.

[ivankaramazov]

The Republican party has been talking like Libertarians about 20 years whenever they aren't in power. The politicians, the party base, and their media affiliates all go on about small government, the constitution, and personal rights. Every time they get ahold of power, they wait about 30 minutes before legislating the expansion of the government, the violation of the constitution, and the defecation of personal rights.

The pendulum will eventually swing back the other direction, and they'll start trying to amend the consititution to define marriage again...

[Joel]

Originally Posted by ivankaramazov

The Republican party has been talking like Libertarians about 20 years whenever they aren't in power. The politicians, the party base, and their media affiliates all go on about small government, the constitution, and personal rights. Every time they get ahold of power, they wait about 30 minutes before legislating the expansion of the government, the violation of the constitution, and the defecation of personal rights.

The pendulum will eventually swing back the other direction, and they'll start trying to amend the consititution to define marriage again...

You speak as if one party cares more about respecting our civil liberties than the other... Obama hasn't been in office for even a year and not only has he renewed Bush's Patriot Act to prevent it from expiring, but also added his own touch such as the Cybersecurity act of 2009, or S.773 and S.778 which grant the government and president full control over the internet as well as powers to access private online data, regulate the cybersecurity industry and even completely shut down internet traffic during a "cyber emergency", or in other words, whenever the hell they feel like it for whatever reason.

All of these have already been proposed and passed, they didn't ask for your approval? hmm, weird...

And you talk about Republicans and their "desire for expansion of government", lol I know, its not like the Democrats have snatched up the entire automotive industry, banks, student loans, medicine, airlines, housing, and agriculture under now total government control within just the last few months or anything...

To be honest I have no clue why anyone is still actually trying to defend either party as corrupt and twisted as they are this late in the game, if someone could fill me in that would be greatly appreciated.

[Witan]

Originally Posted by Joel

"Conservative pundits in this country have lost all touch with reality, and this shows it." - Because someone on one of a network's shows makes a misinformed comment about a video just before playing it and having themselves corrected, it in your mind not only deems the whole station as crazies but an entire population who practice the conservative ideology of keeping traditional values in our country as well? O.o

That is just one example of many that I have seen. Although it is by far the most bold and blatant mistruth I have ever heard from any conservative commentator.

[Joel]

Originally Posted by Witan

That is just one example of many that I have seen. Although it is by far the most bold and blatant mistruth I have ever heard from any conservative commentator.

I think you're referring to Hannity's video and not my comment, but Keith Olbermann could put a cat in a microwave and yell, "This is what would happen to America if Republicans ran the show!" and I wouldn't think any less of liberal commentators, maybe Mr. Olbermann, but not all liberal commentators in general.

[Frankie_Lee]

Sean Hannity is a lying partisan blowhard and the fact that a News network puts him on the air should make anyone suspect of all their activities, and yes I do believe that. I watch Fox News a little bit, and the only people on that network I can stand are Shepard Smith and Bill O.

And yes, all cable networks have bias. I hate MSNBC but I find they're more honest than Fox, even if they're still blatantly partisan. CNN is pure **** also. They need to pack away the interactive screens and forget that twitter and facebook ever existed. Reading what Cletus from West Virginia thinks about the health care debate isn't news.

[ivankaramazov]

Originally Posted by Joel

You speak as if one party cares more about respecting our civil liberties than the other... Obama hasn't been in office for even a year and not only has he renewed Bush's Patriot Act to prevent it from expiring, but also added his own touch such as the Cybersecurity act of 2009, or S.773 and S.778 which grant the government and president full control over the internet as well as powers to access private online data, regulate the cybersecurity industry and even completely shut down internet traffic during a "cyber emergency", or in other words, whenever the hell they feel like it for whatever reason.

All of these have already been proposed and passed, they didn't ask for your approval? hmm, weird...

And you talk about Republicans and their "desire for expansion of government", lol I know, its not like the Democrats have snatched up the entire automotive industry, banks, student loans, medicine, airlines, housing, and agriculture under now total government control within just the last few months or anything...

To be honest I have no clue why anyone is still actually trying to defend either party as corrupt and twisted as they are this late in the game, if someone could fill me in that would be greatly appreciated.

I realize that you hijacked the thread to talk talk talk before I posted, but I was responding to the original post in which the Democratic party was not involved. That said, you still lose the discussion for posting a link to examiner.com.

[UltraShy]

Originally Posted by millenniumman75

Obama was just speaking about something called a MONOPOLY, which is ILLEGAL in the United States (Bell, Microsoft).

Did Obama mention that he heads the largest monopoly in the US: the federal government?

[Joel]

Originally Posted by ivankaramazov

I realize that you hijacked the thread to talk talk talk before I posted, but I was responding to the original post in which the Democratic party was not involved. That said, you still lose the discussion for posting a link to examiner.com.

Sorry, didn't mean to "hijack the thread" or single you out if it somehow seemed to you as if I did with my post, but was referring to anyone in general who tries paint one party better or worst than the other. And I don't know who or what examiner.com is or stands for before seeing their link for the first time yesterday which happened to appear as one of the top results with the story but if it makes you feel better here's the story from cbs and abc, to my knowledge those are the only 2 major networks that bothered reported it.

Again I'm sorry if I somehow sounded rude to you in my post, honestly didn't mean to.