Social Anxiety Support

rcapo89 · 10-10-2009, 09:04 PM

I think the title speaks for itself. I don't know how everyone else feels but it seems many on this site are on edge lately. Two threads in this section alone were closed today! People need to be careful when posting a response since its impossible for the reader to sense the writer's tone or disposition.
I realize this section is for controversial subjects up for debate but can we try to be civil? There have been a few members of this site who have left because of the perceived negativity.
Remember this site is called Social Anxiety Support.

Cerberus · 10-10-2009, 10:30 PM

In before lock . . .

Lisa · 10-10-2009, 11:01 PM

I have missed the recent troubles but yeah, it can get a bit negative around here.

TiMeZuP · 10-10-2009, 11:09 PM

I fail to understand the problem here. Isn't that what takes place during "controversial subjects"? Sure this is Social Anxiety SUPPORT. But do we honestly need to be sheltered because we have such a disorder. I consider the negativity "exposure therapy".......

Iced Soul · 10-11-2009, 02:45 AM

I think we could be a little more civil sometimes. Some people, when arguing a point or responding to someone, they seem to kind of fly off the handle or are rude when they don't have to be. It's really not necessary. I'm sure we all can respond/make a point civilly.

BeNice · 10-11-2009, 06:54 AM

The two locked threads didn't interest me, anyway. The one was just stupid, and even the most naive liberals roll their eyes at Obama getting a Nobel.

Amocholes · 10-11-2009, 07:07 AM

They and a 3rd thread were locked because people were not debating but were making attacks against other members. When we have to start giving Infractions then its time to close the thread.

BlueBamboo · 10-11-2009, 08:21 AM

Honestly what seems to pass as "crossed the line - close the thread" here, many other forums wouldn't even bat an eye at. I'm not even sure where the line is because it seems to be very, very rare to see a thread that was closed with a clear explanation as to why it was closed...exactly what rules were violated in exactly what ways. The best guess I can make in most instances is that somebody sensitive got their feelings a bit hurt and now nobody else can discuss the topic at all.

Makes me feel like I need to censor myself and only express opinions that the majority agrees with, lest I inadvertently offend someone and get myself in trouble for being different than them. What's the point of this forum if the only thing we're going to do is sit and nod and politely agree with each other?

Brightpaperwarewolf · 10-11-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Amocholes

They and a 3rd thread were locked because people were not debating but were making attacks against other members. When we have to start giving Infractions then its time to close the thread.

I respectfully oppose that I made a personal attack. Telling someone they should go out in front of a church say that their thoughts on god is "primitive and laughable" is not a personal insult by any means.

proximo20 · 10-11-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brightpaperwarewolf

I respectfully oppose that I made a personal attack. Telling someone they should go out in front of a church say that their thoughts on god is "primitive and laughable" is not a personal insult by any means.

I learned in time, you can call opinions and comments ridiculous or silly. I guess these ones are allowed. You can say things like "naive at best" as well. When you want to say something don't point fingers just insult the whole thread. These are the tricks that I learned so far. For more detailed suggestions I can advise you to follow a few members who are expert at insulting without getting infractions.

Amocholes · 10-11-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Brightpaperwarewolf

I respectfully oppose that I made a personal attack. Telling someone they should go out in front of a church say that their thoughts on god is "primitive and laughable" is not a personal insult by any means.

I have responded by PM as to the reason you received the Infraction.

Tangent · 10-11-2009, 09:38 AM

Just making the fairly obvious comment here:

This is controversial discussion afterall, so it is understandable if threads get a little heated, and I do not think the fact that this is a site for 'support' has any particular bearing on this section, which is unrelated to the site's main purpose. SA people like to debate too, so it is good this site provides a place for them to do that - but beyond that, there is no real relationship between this section and those sections aimed specifically at supporting people with social anxiety.

And yet, I do strongly think that people should be able to seperate ideas from the people advocating them - attack the argument, not the person, and such like. Over the years I have been good friends with people who have had political and religious views completely antithetical to my own, so I do not think difference of political/social/economic/religious opinion is at all a valid excuse for personal attack. I understand though, that people can sometimes find it difficult to separate the argument from the person making it, and I greatly respect those who are capable of making this distinction, but I think it is both fair, and to be expected, that there are cases where the distinction will not be made, and thus that the thread will be locked - such is the nature of this section of the forum.

SilentLoner · 10-11-2009, 12:30 PM

This is what this forum section is supposed to be for. Of course according to the mods it seems opinions are off limits a large part of the time. Why does having SA mean we need to be coddled?

IcedOver · 10-11-2009, 01:35 PM

I have no idea why the thread about Pres. Motormouth's undeserved Nobel was closed. All Amocholes said is that it is "getting out of hand". That could be for two reasons -- either it's illegal to make fun of Our Lord and Savior, the Most High Obama or Amocholes is surprisingly defending those of us who criticize him (or "Him"?) and were slammed by other posters for it. The last post is by Cerberus saying that we should go to tea parties -- a personal attack. If the latter was the reason for him closing it, a shocked props to Amocholes. But somehow I doubt it.

nightrain · 10-11-2009, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amocholes

They and a 3rd thread were locked because people were not debating but were making attacks against other members. When we have to start giving Infractions then its time to close the thread.

Couldn't those members just be banned? I don't know why whole threads have to be locked because of a few unruly people.

DitzyDreamer · 10-11-2009, 02:20 PM

I personally think that the moderators are closing threads on a whim. I mean, if this were the "Positive" or "Support" board, I can see why, but seeing as how this board is in the CONTROVERSIAL section, things should be expected to be heated and rightly so. Debate is great, debate is stimulating, debate is fun. So as long as no one is name calling or posting racist/homophobic/hateful messages, I don't see why ANY thread, no matter how heated it becomes should be closed.

UltraShy · 10-11-2009, 03:43 PM

I hope everyone (like the mods) have noticed that I've been on my best behavior.

I don't attack anyone even if they attack me. If anyone thinks it's cute to personally attack me I simply report their post so the mods can deal with them. I'm not stupid enough to respond in kind and get an infraction.

I personally get quite annoyed with those who insist on causing trouble and thus getting threads locked. Such behavior is immature and will end with us debating Coke vs Pepsi, since anything else is just "too hot".

Tangent · 10-11-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraShy

...will end with us debating Coke vs Pepsi, since anything else is just "too hot".

Don't be ridiculous, Karl.

sanria22 · 10-11-2009, 04:13 PM

I suppose we can hate on Muslims too for their beliefs since they believe in the same God (or the same concept of monotheism). Dang!

Amocholes · 10-11-2009, 04:25 PM

The guidelines are still in effect within the S & C forums. Incidents of personal attacks and intolerance of others crop up all the time. This is why Infractions are issued. Debating the the topics and expressing opinions are fine as long as they do not become personal or express intolerance.

10-10-2009, 09:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
rcapo89 Status: Exploring the moon Europa Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Georgia (northeast of Atlanta) Gender: Male Age: 20 Posts: 840	Can't we all just get along? I think the title speaks for itself. I don't know how everyone else feels but it seems many on this site are on edge lately. Two threads in this section alone were closed today! People need to be careful when posting a response since its impossible for the reader to sense the writer's tone or disposition. I realize this section is for controversial subjects up for debate but can we try to be civil? There have been a few members of this site who have left because of the perceived negativity. Remember this site is called Social Anxiety Support. __________________ I see the world being slowly transformed into a wilderness, I hear the approaching thunder that, one day, will destroy us too. I feel the suffering of millions. And yet, when I look up at the sky, I somehow feel that everything will change for the better, that this cruelty too shall end, that peace and tranquility will return once more. - Anne Frank

10-10-2009, 10:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Cerberus Status: SAS Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 5,721	In before lock . . . __________________ "Through the valleys grey Through the shapeless land I walk alone I'm left alone Through the deepest void, a blackened paradise I walk alone, I'm left alone"

10-11-2009, 02:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
Iced Soul Status: Dancing on Rainbows Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Calilalaland Gender: Female Age: 21 Posts: 1,775	I think we could be a little more civil sometimes. Some people, when arguing a point or responding to someone, they seem to kind of fly off the handle or are rude when they don't have to be. It's really not necessary. I'm sure we all can respond/make a point civilly. __________________ I scraped my knees while I was praying And found a demon in my safest haven. Seems like, it's getting harder to believe in anything Than just to get lost in all my selfish thoughts. I wanna know what it'd be like To find perfection in my pride To see nothing in the light Just turn it off In all my spite, in all my spite, I'll turn it off. - Turn It Off - Paramore http://twitter.com/MissEerie

10-11-2009, 06:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
BeNice Status: SAS Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Coastal New Jersey Posts: 6,832	The two locked threads didn't interest me, anyway. The one was just stupid, and even the most naive liberals roll their eyes at Obama getting a Nobel. __________________ Market capitalism can co-opt virtually any low-cost alternative and sell it right back at ridiculous prices. -Joe Bageant http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2007/0...eat-ameri.html

10-11-2009, 07:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Amocholes Status: Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hello my freaky darlings! Gender: Male Age: 49 Posts: 12,599	They and a 3rd thread were locked because people were not debating but were making attacks against other members. When we have to start giving Infractions then its time to close the thread. __________________ In the kingdom of the blind, the one legged man is king.

10-10-2009, 11:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Lisa Status: Missing her friends!!!!!! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Britain Posts: 2,067	I have missed the recent troubles but yeah, it can get a bit negative around here.

10-10-2009, 11:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
TiMeZuP Status: SAS Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 88	I fail to understand the problem here. Isn't that what takes place during "controversial subjects"? Sure this is Social Anxiety SUPPORT. But do we honestly need to be sheltered because we have such a disorder. I consider the negativity "exposure therapy".......

10-11-2009, 08:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
BlueBamboo Status: SAS Nonmember Join Date: May 2007 Location: Philadelphia metro area Gender: Female Age: 24 Posts: 103	Honestly what seems to pass as "crossed the line - close the thread" here, many other forums wouldn't even bat an eye at. I'm not even sure where the line is because it seems to be very, very rare to see a thread that was closed with a clear explanation as to why it was closed...exactly what rules were violated in exactly what ways. The best guess I can make in most instances is that somebody sensitive got their feelings a bit hurt and now nobody else can discuss the topic at all. Makes me feel like I need to censor myself and only express opinions that the majority agrees with, lest I inadvertently offend someone and get myself in trouble for being different than them. What's the point of this forum if the only thing we're going to do is sit and nod and politely agree with each other?

10-11-2009, 09:38 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tangent Status: Cynical Misanthrope Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: N.E. England Gender: Male Age: 18 Posts: 301	Just making the fairly obvious comment here: This is controversial discussion afterall, so it is understandable if threads get a little heated, and I do not think the fact that this is a site for 'support' has any particular bearing on this section, which is unrelated to the site's main purpose. SA people like to debate too, so it is good this site provides a place for them to do that - but beyond that, there is no real relationship between this section and those sections aimed specifically at supporting people with social anxiety. And yet, I do strongly think that people should be able to seperate ideas from the people advocating them - attack the argument, not the person, and such like. Over the years I have been good friends with people who have had political and religious views completely antithetical to my own, so I do not think difference of political/social/economic/religious opinion is at all a valid excuse for personal attack. I understand though, that people can sometimes find it difficult to separate the argument from the person making it, and I greatly respect those who are capable of making this distinction, but I think it is both fair, and to be expected, that there are cases where the distinction will not be made, and thus that the thread will be locked - such is the nature of this section of the forum. __________________ http://journalofasadact.blogspot.com/ - The daily goings on of a socially anxious dyspraxic pariah. http://asininerants.blogspot.com/ - The social, political, religious and miscellaneous musings of the above. Facebook - Add me!

10-11-2009, 12:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
SilentLoner Status: Otaku Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lost in thought, though occasionally I may be located at an anime convention. Gender: Female Age: 22 Posts: 2,451	This is what this forum section is supposed to be for. Of course according to the mods it seems opinions are off limits a large part of the time. Why does having SA mean we need to be coddled? __________________ "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.” -Plato "When a cold wind blows it chills you - chills you to the bone. But there's nothing in nature that freezes your heart like years of being alone." OTAKU UNITE! “We honor Dr. Tiller’s legacy of service to women.” Dr. George Tiller 1941 -2009 Memorial Web Page http://www.iamdrtiller.com/ http://www.remembertiller.com/

10-11-2009, 01:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
IcedOver Status: SAS Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pittsburgh Gender: Male Age: 33 Posts: 484	I have no idea why the thread about Pres. Motormouth's undeserved Nobel was closed. All Amocholes said is that it is "getting out of hand". That could be for two reasons -- either it's illegal to make fun of Our Lord and Savior, the Most High Obama or Amocholes is surprisingly defending those of us who criticize him (or "Him"?) and were slammed by other posters for it. The last post is by Cerberus saying that we should go to tea parties -- a personal attack. If the latter was the reason for him closing it, a shocked props to Amocholes. But somehow I doubt it.

10-11-2009, 02:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
DitzyDreamer Status: SAS Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Gender: Female Posts: 179	I personally think that the moderators are closing threads on a whim. I mean, if this were the "Positive" or "Support" board, I can see why, but seeing as how this board is in the CONTROVERSIAL section, things should be expected to be heated and rightly so. Debate is great, debate is stimulating, debate is fun. So as long as no one is name calling or posting racist/homophobic/hateful messages, I don't see why ANY thread, no matter how heated it becomes should be closed.

10-11-2009, 03:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
UltraShy Status: Accident of Birth Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI (Atheist, Libertarian) Gender: Male Age: 36 Posts: 24,572	I hope everyone (like the mods) have noticed that I've been on my best behavior. I don't attack anyone even if they attack me. If anyone thinks it's cute to personally attack me I simply report their post so the mods can deal with them. I'm not stupid enough to respond in kind and get an infraction. I personally get quite annoyed with those who insist on causing trouble and thus getting threads locked. Such behavior is immature and will end with us debating Coke vs Pepsi, since anything else is just "too hot". __________________ Nothing is ever the way it should be What we deserve we just don't get you see http://www.insureyourgunrights.com/

10-11-2009, 04:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
sanria22 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MN Gender: Female Age: 23 Posts: 907	I suppose we can hate on Muslims too for their beliefs since they believe in the same God (or the same concept of monotheism). Dang!

10-11-2009, 04:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
Amocholes Status: Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hello my freaky darlings! Gender: Male Age: 49 Posts: 12,599	The guidelines are still in effect within the S & C forums. Incidents of personal attacks and intolerance of others crop up all the time. This is why Infractions are issued. Debating the the topics and expressing opinions are fine as long as they do not become personal or express intolerance. __________________ In the kingdom of the blind, the one legged man is king.