Social Anxiety Support

Guide 4 Dummies · 11-02-2009, 04:56 AM

Hi guys! I'm a long time surfer of this site so I thought it's about time to create an account and share my experience.

Nootropics/Stimulants such as Piracetam, Caffeine, Hydergine, Lucidril, Choline, and Nicotine impair my cognition severely and cause extreme apathy. Long and short term memories are blocked, concentration impaired, attention screwed up.

Xanax notably boosts my concentration, long-term memory, and attention while leaving my short-term memory intact at 1-1.5 mg. This is in anxiety-free situations e.g. at home. Taking xanax before exams boosts my performance and greatly facilitates memory-retrieving. Those nootropic effects are quite shocking since tranquilizers are known for their negative cognitive side effects.

I think I might have an undiagnosed AD(H)D:

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I was diagnosed with SAD, mild depression and OCD. you know, the usual suspects lol :P the pdoc prescribed every SSRI/SNRI/TCA under the sun and none worked.

One day I told him that my brain gets easily overstimulated in social settings and this is basically the culprit because when my brain is a wreck my body goes into fight-or-flight response. I wear earplugs and sunglasses and I instantly feel better but I get awkward comments on these.

He left for a moment and came back with a Xanax prescription. It works real good. I don't feel overstimulated anymore. Isn't over-stimulation a sign of AD(H)D?

gillettecavalcad3 · 11-02-2009, 06:50 AM

Join the club mate, ......Clonazepam does the same for me, .....my Uni is a breeze right now, ....and I am great with numbers and big words and facts.

To the point where my mates have noticed.

astontsui · 11-03-2009, 07:16 AM

i dunno if you have adhd, but i find that i have impaired verbal abilities and cognition from anxiolytics just cuz my minds not so clogged up by "**** say something say something" or "are they looking at me? am i being weird?" and i can just THINK like a normal person...like the way i used to be...

gillettecavalcad3 · 11-03-2009, 07:42 AM

^^^^^^

Clonazepam is the only benzo that boosts my cognitive system. Valium and Diazepam made me jittery and I had most of the symptoms you are describing.

Basically what I am trying to say is that Clonazepam is the only Benzo that works for me.

Might be the case for you mate.

Dangerous · 11-03-2009, 09:25 AM

I'm in your club, unless I thought..

Years back the first time I did it I was doing better in school and talking to more people, probably helped a lot because it made me stop concentrating on the things and people around me and get out of my mind and into the books (and moment)

That was for like 8 weeks, it actually saved me in school and job, but then unfortunately it went down hill from there I take them and I can sware not one things happens, and I know my cognition is messed up, but I am old faithful 1 klonopin in the morning and 2 xanax throughout the day whenever, it starves off the withdrawals which I don't even want to get into.

:-(

nootropic

Guide 4 Dummies · 11-03-2009, 10:43 AM

The dumbest moment ever was this time I took Caffeine + Xanax. There was this guy who was talking to me and I honestly couldn't comprehend a word he was saying.

It was like he was speaking an alien language. I tried real hard to concentrate but gave up and told him to slow down. He must have thought I was joking around and played along lol

The 2nd dumbest moment was when I took all of the nootropics at once for several days. The doses weren't high but it left me severely impaired. The apathy was so strong and I became pretty much an antisocial.

Makes me wonder why do nootropics have the complete opposite effect on me.

Dangerous · 11-03-2009, 01:19 PM

man, a lot of nootropic are kinda a waiste if you ask me, I hear of people taking stacks that include like 20 nootropics, supplements, and whatever else the put in the mix. And, then they complain they complain they are having like double vision and can't think straight, then someone will jump in and be like you didn't add enough choline bitartrate to the mix, and I think to myself NO you just don't need to be taking so much sh*t.lol. If someone created a pill that REALLY boosted your memory, cognition, concentration, AND IT HAD neuroprotective effects that guy be RICH, because everyone and there mama would be taking it!!

But, seriously I have tried some nootropics and except for stimulants, and dopaminergics nothing really seemed to do anything.

And if dopaminergic, and stimulants are even considered a nootropic (I think it's debated, don't have time to wikipedia it)
I would say the best is Amphetamines, and if you can't go with those I would settle with Modnafil.

I'm sure there is better stuff out there. Did you know Selegiline is considered at nootropic, atleast from what I heard. It's a Irreversible MAO-B inhibitor and is partly metabolized into l-methamphetamine. So i'm sure it has to have a stimulant effect, and I heard it also neuroprotective.

Selegiline sounds good I would take it if I wasn't already taking like 3 thins, and it is also if taken in higher doses a MAO-A inhibitor. Full blown MAOI scare me even though I like them I had some not so good experiences with Parnate and Nardil. Nothing bad except something it did to my body from killing that enzyme.

If it didn't activate MAO-A I would give that a shot, plus oxiracetam I sorta want to try that.

This is a good website for everything supplement and nootropics they even have a nootropic forum. http://www.imminst.org

gillettecavalcad3 · 11-03-2009, 01:33 PM

Hmmmm, interesting you mention Dopamine being a nootropic, ....perhaps the
reason my cognitive abilities have improved so much has to do with the reuptake of Dopamine from the 300mg of Effexor XR I am taking plus the GABAinergic properties from the Clonazepam.

Perhaps it is a great nootropic combo.

Dangerous · 11-03-2009, 01:55 PM

Actually I am not doctor (obviously) but I am not sure if dopamine enhancers, or stimulants are actually a nootropic (don't have time to wiki it) but, I sure do see them talked about alot over at other drugs forums when nootropic topic comes up.

I don't know but, I think mostly stuff that enhances cognition, memory recall, or has a neuroprotective effect, like stengthen your neuron, and axons or (connection) in your brain or something, if that's even possible..lol, is considered a nootropic.

DONT QUOTE ME.lol

But if that true, yes stims are considered a nootropic anything that speeds you up and makes you faster than you normally would be should usually have a impact on your cognition, but if it's not than no.

But generally Antidepressants are not considered a nootropics, I think the only reason Selegiline is considered one is because I believe it has neuoprotective effect (protects the connections in your brain from unraveling like what happens when someone has Alzheimer) Plus I think it activating and not generally used for depression. Not generally.

jim_morrison · 11-03-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gillettecavalcad3

Hmmmm, interesting you mention Dopamine being a nootropic, ....perhaps the
reason my cognitive abilities have improved so much has to do with the reuptake of Dopamine from the 300mg of Effexor XR I am taking plus the GABAinergic properties from the Clonazepam.

Perhaps it is a great nootropic combo.

It's more likely that effexor can improve cognitive abilities due to it's noradrenaline reuptake, similair to the ADHD medication strattera which is a noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor, effexor is relatively unbalanced as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, youd need to take about 300 - 375mg for it to kick in moderately and by that point it's serotonin reuptake inhibiton is so strong that there may be alot of serotonergic side effects. A balanced triple inhibitor of serotonin, noradrenaline, and dopamine would probly work wonders though.

http://www.preskorn.com/columns/9911.html
You can see venlafaxines (effexor) affinitys for for serotonin, noradrenaline and dopamine in figure 1.

gillettecavalcad3 · 11-04-2009, 06:00 AM

Nice link, .....interesting. I'm beginning to wonder if I had ADHD and comorbid social phobia ....just because my concentration levels are great now. I know that Effexor is sometimes used for adhd.

I know what you mean, ....a triple boost of all three would probably work wonders.

McMillan · 11-04-2009, 07:21 AM

This sounds like exactly my problem. However, my memory problems are the exact opposite.

My long-term memory is scary good. Short-term memory is absolutely horrible. Almost non existent. I don't smoke weed or anything. It's definitely frustrating.

Xanax, a benzo, can you really take this everyday long-term?

11-03-2009, 09:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
Dangerous Status: SAS Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 40	I'm in your club, unless I thought.. Years back the first time I did it I was doing better in school and talking to more people, probably helped a lot because it made me stop concentrating on the things and people around me and get out of my mind and into the books (and moment) That was for like 8 weeks, it actually saved me in school and job, but then unfortunately it went down hill from there I take them and I can sware not one things happens, and I know my cognition is messed up, but I am old faithful 1 klonopin in the morning and 2 xanax throughout the day whenever, it starves off the withdrawals which I don't even want to get into. :-( nootropic __________________ WARNING: With a name like Dangerous why would you ever take medical advice from me?

11-03-2009, 01:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dangerous Status: SAS Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 40	man, a lot of nootropic are kinda a waiste if you ask me, I hear of people taking stacks that include like 20 nootropics, supplements, and whatever else the put in the mix. And, then they complain they complain they are having like double vision and can't think straight, then someone will jump in and be like you didn't add enough choline bitartrate to the mix, and I think to myself NO you just don't need to be taking so much sht.lol. If someone created a pill that REALLY boosted your memory, cognition, concentration, AND IT HAD neuroprotective effects that guy be RICH, because everyone and there mama would be taking it!! But, seriously I have tried some nootropics and except for stimulants, and dopaminergics nothing really seemed to do anything. And if dopaminergic, and stimulants are even considered a nootropic (I think it's debated, don't have time to wikipedia it) I would say the best is Amphetamines, and if you can't go with those I would settle with Modnafil. I'm sure there is better stuff out there. Did you know Selegiline is considered at nootropic, atleast from what I heard. It's a Irreversible MAO-B inhibitor and is partly metabolized into l-methamphetamine. So i'm sure it has to have a stimulant effect, and I heard it also neuroprotective. Selegiline sounds good I would take it if I wasn't already taking like 3 thins, and it is also if taken in higher doses a MAO-A inhibitor. Full blown MAOI scare me even though I like them I had some not so good experiences with Parnate and Nardil. Nothing bad except something it did to my body from killing that enzyme. If it didn't activate MAO-A I would give that a shot, plus oxiracetam I sorta want to try that. This is a good website for everything supplement and nootropics they even have a nootropic forum. http://www.imminst.org __________________ WARNING: With a name like Dangerous* why would you ever take medical advice from me?

11-03-2009, 01:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dangerous Status: SAS Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 40	Actually I am not doctor (obviously) but I am not sure if dopamine enhancers, or stimulants are actually a nootropic (don't have time to wiki it) but, I sure do see them talked about alot over at other drugs forums when nootropic topic comes up. I don't know but, I think mostly stuff that enhances cognition, memory recall, or has a neuroprotective effect, like stengthen your neuron, and axons or (connection) in your brain or something, if that's even possible..lol, is considered a nootropic. DONT QUOTE ME.lol But if that true, yes stims are considered a nootropic anything that speeds you up and makes you faster than you normally would be should usually have a impact on your cognition, but if it's not than no. But generally Antidepressants are not considered a nootropics, I think the only reason Selegiline is considered one is because I believe it has neuoprotective effect (protects the connections in your brain from unraveling like what happens when someone has Alzheimer) Plus I think it activating and not generally used for depression. Not generally. __________________ WARNING: With a name like Dangerous why would you ever take medical advice from me?

11-02-2009, 06:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
gillettecavalcad3 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: U.K. Gender: Male Posts: 132	Join the club mate, ......Clonazepam does the same for me, .....my Uni is a breeze right now, ....and I am great with numbers and big words and facts. To the point where my mates have noticed.

11-03-2009, 07:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
astontsui Status: SAS Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12	i dunno if you have adhd, but i find that i have impaired verbal abilities and cognition from anxiolytics just cuz my minds not so clogged up by "**** say something say something" or "are they looking at me? am i being weird?" and i can just THINK like a normal person...like the way i used to be...

11-03-2009, 07:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
gillettecavalcad3 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: U.K. Gender: Male Posts: 132	^^^^^^ Clonazepam is the only benzo that boosts my cognitive system. Valium and Diazepam made me jittery and I had most of the symptoms you are describing. Basically what I am trying to say is that Clonazepam is the only Benzo that works for me. Might be the case for you mate.

11-03-2009, 10:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Guide 4 Dummies Status: SAS Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 12	The dumbest moment ever was this time I took Caffeine + Xanax. There was this guy who was talking to me and I honestly couldn't comprehend a word he was saying. It was like he was speaking an alien language. I tried real hard to concentrate but gave up and told him to slow down. He must have thought I was joking around and played along lol The 2nd dumbest moment was when I took all of the nootropics at once for several days. The doses weren't high but it left me severely impaired. The apathy was so strong and I became pretty much an antisocial. Makes me wonder why do nootropics have the complete opposite effect on me.

11-03-2009, 01:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
gillettecavalcad3 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: U.K. Gender: Male Posts: 132	Hmmmm, interesting you mention Dopamine being a nootropic, ....perhaps the reason my cognitive abilities have improved so much has to do with the reuptake of Dopamine from the 300mg of Effexor XR I am taking plus the GABAinergic properties from the Clonazepam. Perhaps it is a great nootropic combo.

11-04-2009, 06:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
gillettecavalcad3 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: U.K. Gender: Male Posts: 132	Nice link, .....interesting. I'm beginning to wonder if I had ADHD and comorbid social phobia ....just because my concentration levels are great now. I know that Effexor is sometimes used for adhd. I know what you mean, ....a triple boost of all three would probably work wonders.

11-04-2009, 07:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
McMillan Status: SAS Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 14	This sounds like exactly my problem. However, my memory problems are the exact opposite. My long-term memory is scary good. Short-term memory is absolutely horrible. Almost non existent. I don't smoke weed or anything. It's definitely frustrating. Xanax, a benzo, can you really take this everyday long-term?