Why antipsychotics are a bad idea if you don't have psychosis

[Medline]

Originally Posted by writingupastorm

Say what you will, but I'm the one "suffering" from it. I think I know a little bit more about it then you. Looking at it from the outside gives you a skewed point of view. I understand that you have good intentions though. You just want to help the only way you know how.

Originally Posted by writingupastorm

Both times that I tried to kill myself I was on medication.

I have friends with sometimes severe schizoaffective disorder, which I met in psychiatry (I was there because of depression & anxiety). Before treatment with antipsychotics they were a complete mess. Now most of them can have a normal life.

It's not unusal by the way that people who just register on boards like this for publishing anti-psychiatry propaganda to tell about who much they suffered with medication and now without they are doing much better. Not seldom they don't even have the disorder they pretend to suffer from.

Just what I've learned over the years, of course you can have schizophrenia and much more.

[writingupastorm]

Originally Posted by Medline

I have friends with sometimes severe schizoaffective disorder, which I met in psychiatry (I was there because of depression & anxiety). Before treatment with antipsychotics they were a complete mess. Now most of them can have a normal life.

It's not unusal by the way that people who just register on boards like this for publishing anti-psychiatry propaganda to tell about who much they suffered with medication and now without they are doing much better. Not seldom they don't even have the disorder they pretend to suffer from.

Just what I've learned over the years, of course you can have schizophrenia and much more.

But you're missing the point. I'm not saying what they did was wrong, only that they shouldn't have had to. There should have been other options available to them. Admittedly there probably wasn't. A lot of the problem has to do with the way our society looks down on psychosis, and the sorry state of our healthcare system.

Just because they're new doesn't mean they're lying. Yes, I have schizophrenia, ptsd, ocd, generalized anxiety, social anxiety, panic disorder, migraines, and I'm probably missing something. It shouldn't matter though. If what I'm saying is true, it's true, regardless of your attempts to discredit me.

I've actually been on this forum for years under different user names.

[Medline]

It makes no sense discussing with you about that, it's just a waste of time.

[upndownboi]

I was prescribed seroquel to augment fluoxetine for major depression a few months back - I experienced no efficacy but then again I couldn't tolerate the higher doses as I didn't like how they made me feel. Reading one of crayzyMed's posts about the movement disorder s/e was the final straw to stop taking them.

I can only see them being useful for me if I had very severe anxiety and couldn't access anything else (benzos, even mirtazapine i find preferable).

I'm alarmed how they (APs) seem to be increasingly indicated for depressive disorders, even depressions with absence of anxiety or psychotic symptoms. The evidence for seroquel's fda approval for MDD seems to rest on its feeble NRI action

[Medline]

In general it is a bad idea to prescribe antipsychotics to people with unipolar depression or anxiety. But if severe anxiety is completely refractory to drugs with a better risk-benefit ratio and antipsychotics help then I think it's ok to give them.

[writingupastorm]

Originally Posted by Medline

It makes no sense discussing with you about that, it's just a waste of time.

Having to result to an insult? Does this mean I'm right?

[Medline]

Originally Posted by writingupastorm

Having to result to an insult? Does this mean I'm right?

It means you publish your anti-psychiatry propaganda no matter what I or others say. Your postings are also off-topic. The title of the thread is "Why antipsychotics are a bad idea if you dont have psychosis" and Wesley wrote for a good reason:

First lets make clear that if you do have psychotic symptoms which are interfering with your life and the med helps them, then the benefit-risk ratio is acceptable.

But in your postings you write that antipsychotics are also very bad medications for people suffering from schizophrenia. The only psychotropic drugs you can recommend are illegal hallucinogens & empathogens like LSD and Ecstasy.

[jim_morrison]

Originally Posted by upndownboi

I'm alarmed how they (APs) seem to be increasingly indicated for depressive disorders, even depressions with absence of anxiety or psychotic symptoms. The evidence for seroquel's fda approval for MDD seems to rest on its feeble NRI action

I've read that too but I don't really buy it, it seems more likely that seroquel is simply blocking autoreceptors, which may be helping the antidepressants along a bit.

[writingupastorm]

Originally Posted by Medline

It means you publish your anti-psychiatry propaganda no matter what I or others say. Your postings are also off-topic. The title of the thread is "Why antipsychotics are a bad idea if you dont have psychosis" and Wesley wrote for a good reason:

OMG, I barely said anything about it until you asked my opinion on it. I simply stated my opinion then people started arguing with me so I defended myself. That makes me a propagandist?

Originally Posted by Medline

But in your postings you write that antipsychotics are also very bad medications for people suffering from schizophrenia. The only psychotropic drugs you can recommend are illegal hallucinogens & empathogens like LSD and Ecstasy.

I didn't say I recommend them. I specifically said "but they're illegal, and I'm getting similar results with meditation.".

Please stop trying to slander me. I am a serious adult who has dedicated a good portion of my life to helping people. I take the repercussions of my actions very seriously. Do you? Weren't you the one on here bragging about how you overdosed on benadryl. Seriously, you gotta be kind of screwed up to do that.

[Medline]

Originally Posted by writingupastorm

OMG, I barely said anything about it until you asked my opinion on it. I simply stated my opinion then people started arguing with me so I defended myself. That makes me a propagandist?

You started by quoting Wesley and writing that antipsychotics are bad for everyone, also for people with schizophrenia. Since you newly registered on SAS you mainly wrote in a medication forum that medication is bad and advertised the website Project Meditation which is also listed in your signature.

Originally Posted by writingupastorm

I take the repercussions of my actions very seriously.

I doubt that: Postings that could scare people with schizophrenia off their prescribed medication can result in severe harm of those users.

Originally Posted by writingupastorm

Do you? Weren't you the one on here bragging about how you overdosed on benadryl. Seriously, you gotta be kind of screwed up to do that.

I see nothing bad about admitting a past mistake and telling that it was a very bad idea. But please stay on-topic.

[yelda]

I dont agree with the idea that antipsychotics are only for psychotic people.
schizophrenics need high doses of antipsychotics but low doses of antipsychotics are for everyone.
I am not psychotic but low doses of antipsychoitcs are wonder drugs for me for anger management.
I think crazymed should be banned from the forum.

[crayzyMed]

Originally Posted by yelda

I dont agree with the idea that antipsychotics are only for psychotic people.
schizophrenics need high doses of antipsychotics but low doses of antipsychotics are for everyone.
I am not psychotic but low doses of antipsychoitcs are wonder drugs for me for anger management.
I think crazymed should be banned from the forum.

Low doses can cause tardive dyskinesia too.

[Brightpaperwarewolf]

Originally Posted by yelda

I dont agree with the idea that antipsychotics are only for psychotic people.
schizophrenics need high doses of antipsychotics but low doses of antipsychotics are for everyone.
I am not psychotic but low doses of antipsychoitcs are wonder drugs for me for anger management.
I think crazymed should be banned from the forum.

He's doing nothing wrong. If you don't like what he says, you don't have to read it.

[Rest or Real?]

I'd just like to state, for the record, that seroquel has aided tremendously in stabilizing me in my bipolar disorder. And, it ultimately comes down to the individual and their doctor in deciding whether or not any medication of any kind is positive, or even necessary.

[crayzyMed]

Originally Posted by Brightpaperwarewolf

He's doing nothing wrong. If you don't like what he says, you don't have to read it.

Come now, ppl warning of dangers of certain meds deserve a ban dont they.

[newboki]

Originally Posted by crayzyMed

Come now, ppl warning of dangers of certain meds deserve a ban dont they.

Well if you want for these arguments to stop why don't you write dangers of stimulants because i know there are many.

[crayzyMed]

Originally Posted by newboki

Well if you want for these arguments to stop why don't you write dangers of stimulants because i know there are many.

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/t..._1#entry627742
There you go

[crayzyMed]

My name there is medievil, and in the thread everyone assumed the ricaurte study was flawed because they tought they only looked at DAT, however i pointed out they looked at other valid measures of neurotoxiticy too, not that i think this occurs significantly in humans, but if you think i try to hide the bad side's of stims your dead wrong dude.

Besides in that thread i also posted another rodent study showing potential negative effects on BDNF.

[newboki]

Originally Posted by crayzyMed

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/t..._1#entry627742
There you go

Ok Lets stop arguing all, and you crazymed please stop opening new threads of dangers of antipsychotics because it will spike a war again and threads like these were posted before. It is very rare with atypicals to cause major tardivia dyskenizia(didn't spell that right). And psychiatrist that i visit, i asked him about that i read antipsychotics like seroquel cause permanent movement he said it is very rare with seroquel and not to believe everything you read on internet it will just increase your anxiety. And he treats hundreds of patients over many years with antipsychotics and said not one developed movement disorders. I just wanted to point that out.

[crayzyMed]

There will be study's showing the incidine with seroquel i will find them and post them, i know seroqual has a lower incidence then others.

Its not that rare in general atypicals have a incidence of 4%, i just post the science and i wont make any new threads, just tought a general thread was a good idea about the dangers as ppl will need to be aware of them, i dont mind a thread of amp's dangers either.