Social Anxiety Support

martyboi · 04-02-2010, 10:56 AM

Is mixing an upper like amphetamine and a downer like klonopin or valium really that bad for you. Everytime i look up this interaction online i get people asking this same question on yahoo answers and then getting lectured by ignorant *** people and some people even saying "NOOOO!!!!!!" like its the ****ing end of the world. Although on this forum i hear this is a common combination and some doctors even prescribe it so i'm just wondering why do people think its soo bad for you?

crayzyMed · 04-02-2010, 10:58 AM

A stimulant with a benzo is perfectly safed and commonly prescribed.

martyboi · 04-02-2010, 11:01 AM

is it any more or less strenuous on the cardiovascular system to take both?

inVis420 · 04-02-2010, 11:09 AM

I'm wondering the same thing because Kpin+Adderall (plus memantine) kills my social anxiety completely. It calms me down, gets rid of the negative thoughts that are constantly in my head, and gives me motivation to socialize with people. I only take them together a few times a week though because I don't need an addiction problem on my hands.

crayzyMed · 04-02-2010, 12:57 PM

Id personally say the combo is easier on the heart but i cant say for certain. There's nothing to worry about tough.

meyaj · 04-02-2010, 01:54 PM

There's not a whole lot of merit to the idea that it's harder on the hard because they're "opposing" forces or whatever lol. It's not like the heart is trying to beat at two speeds at once listening to the drugs separately.

I think the misconception largely comes from the notorious danger of a "speedball", a recreational mixture of heroin and cocaine. What happens is that an upper and a downer mixed like this can make it FEEL like you're taking less of both, so people end up taking more, and since cocaine has a MUCH shorter duration, when it starts wearing off, there's nothing keeping heroin's respiratory depression counteracted and you start overdosing on the heroin. So if you were sticking to a certain dose in the first place, it's conceivable that the mixture could actually be even a bit safer, but it's dangerous because people DON'T.

Either way, at therapeutic doses, you're not taking anything near the level of an overdose. You'll be fine, and yes, it's pretty common.

04-02-2010, 10:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
martyboi Status: SAS Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: California Gender: Male Posts: 297	upper + downer safety Is mixing an upper like amphetamine and a downer like klonopin or valium really that bad for you. Everytime i look up this interaction online i get people asking this same question on yahoo answers and then getting lectured by ignorant * people and some people even saying "NOOOO!!!!!!" like its the **ing end of the world. Although on this forum i hear this is a common combination and some doctors even prescribe it so i'm just wondering why do people think its soo bad for you?

04-02-2010, 10:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
crayzyMed Status: The Power Of Nature Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Belguim Gender: Male Age: 25 Posts: 6,007	A stimulant with a benzo is perfectly safed and commonly prescribed. __________________ Disclaimer: I am not a professional, all my advice is based on my own research and experiences. "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." -Lenin Loving my girl. Anyone is free to PM me questions or ask my MSN adress.

04-02-2010, 12:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
crayzyMed Status: The Power Of Nature Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Belguim Gender: Male Age: 25 Posts: 6,007	Id personally say the combo is easier on the heart but i cant say for certain. There's nothing to worry about tough. __________________ Disclaimer: I am not a professional, all my advice is based on my own research and experiences. "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." -Lenin Loving my girl. Anyone is free to PM me questions or ask my MSN adress.

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04-02-2010, 11:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
martyboi Status: SAS Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: California Gender: Male Posts: 297	is it any more or less strenuous on the cardiovascular system to take both?

04-02-2010, 11:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
inVis420 Status: Box of Rain Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baltimore Gender: Male Age: 23 Posts: 306	I'm wondering the same thing because Kpin+Adderall (plus memantine) kills my social anxiety completely. It calms me down, gets rid of the negative thoughts that are constantly in my head, and gives me motivation to socialize with people. I only take them together a few times a week though because I don't need an addiction problem on my hands.

04-02-2010, 01:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
meyaj Status: Yes Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Greater Toronto Area Gender: Male Age: 27 Posts: 1,761	There's not a whole lot of merit to the idea that it's harder on the hard because they're "opposing" forces or whatever lol. It's not like the heart is trying to beat at two speeds at once listening to the drugs separately. I think the misconception largely comes from the notorious danger of a "speedball", a recreational mixture of heroin and cocaine. What happens is that an upper and a downer mixed like this can make it FEEL like you're taking less of both, so people end up taking more, and since cocaine has a MUCH shorter duration, when it starts wearing off, there's nothing keeping heroin's respiratory depression counteracted and you start overdosing on the heroin. So if you were sticking to a certain dose in the first place, it's conceivable that the mixture could actually be even a bit safer, but it's dangerous because people DON'T. Either way, at therapeutic doses, you're not taking anything near the level of an overdose. You'll be fine, and yes, it's pretty common.