After receiving a lot of pm's about Nardil and having absolutely nothing to do right now, I thought I would make a thread for the people on here who have just started taking this drug and are looking for help. When I first started taking Nardil, I went a whole two weeks without going poop, not to mention that I had gained 10 pounds during that time as well. I got really worried, asking myself "When I will poop again?" "Could that 10 pounds I gained be 10 pounds of poop?" "Could I die of poop poisoning?" Stuff like this was always going through my mind, I had a lot of side effects and was very confused and at times quite miserable with what I had to put up with. It wasn't until I realized that my metabolism had slowed down and I was eating 4-5 times as many sweets as I once did that this was the cause of my weight gain. Talking to other Nardil users, I quickly learned that they all went through the same things and eventually regained their ability to poop after a short while. Maybe this thread will help some people out or generate good questions.
What foods should I avoid?
*Wine. I have heard that white wine is perfectly fine though.
*Tap Beer. Beer from a can or bottle though is perfectly safe. I personally only drink 2-3 beers at most though. Any more than that and I get an unpleasant sensation.
*Mozzarella Cheese is 100% fine, eat as much of it as you want. A couple slices of swiss is perfectly fine as well. I cannot speak for the other cheeses, but I would be very careful. Blue Cheese is by far the most dangerous. Do not even consider trying it.
*I've read to not eat any nuts at all, but I have been eating small amounts of walnuts everyday with no complications. Walnuts in small amounts seem to be fine, I cannot speak for peanuts, almonds, and all the other nuts out there though. If I had to guess though, I would think that just about all the nuts are fine in small amounts. I wouldn't take my word for it though.
*Milk & Yogurt are absolutely fine. Sour Cream I am unsure about.
*Sauerkraut seems to be dangerous from what I have read. I have not tried it personally.
*Salami, Bologna, Pepperoni, Sausage, and any other aged meat should not be eaten. For meat, I just eat Chicken & Turkey. I also eat two boiled eggs for breakfast every morning and have never had a problem with those either.
*Soy Beans/Milk/Tofu, I would try these at your own risk. The information on MAOI's says to avoid these, but many people online claim to consume it. If you buy a product that says it is made with soy lecithin or some obscure soy derivative I would not be worried about eating it.
*Do not eat protein containing foods that are expired. Such as meat & milk.
*Pickled Herring is apparently dangerous, but I'm never going to test it out to know for sure. Nor do I think anyone in their right mind on this board will either.
*Chocolate is fine. Lots of chocolate and sweets will make you fat though, keep that in mind. I personally eat very little in the way of sweets. 1-2 chocolate truffles is all I eat when it comes to sweets. Everything else I eat is very healthy.
*Fava Beans need to be avoided at all costs. I can say this with a lot of confidence. Someone on this board ate them by accident and had a hypertensive crisis.
*Banana Peels need to be avoided too. Sorry guys, I know how much you are going to miss eating those.
What is a hypertensive crisis?
A hypertensive crisis is when your blood pressure reaches dangerously high levels, if too high, it is possible for an individual to even have a stroke . Eating foods that are high in tyramine while on Nardil is what can allow for a hypertensive crisis to occur. All of the foods mentioned in the list above contain high amounts of tyramine, which is why they need to be avoided while on Nardil.
Symptoms that may indicate your are having a hypertensive crisis include:
*Shortness Of Breath
*Elevated Blood Pressure
How much Nardil do I need to take for this medication to be effective?
Probably 60mg at the least, but some say 45mg works just fine for them. 75mg seems to be the ideal from what I have read and heard.
Everyone's body is different though, you need to find the dose that works for you, whether that be 45mg or 90mg.
How long will it take for this medicine to begin working?
I would say a month at the very least, but expect to wait as long as two months for it to begin working. It took me about 6 or 7 weeks I believe.
I can't poop, am I going to blow up?
I went a straight two weeks without pooping once. After that, my bowel movements gradually and very slowly returned. I'm 3 months into Nardil and my bowel movements are probably working at 50% of what they used to right now. Drink almost entirely water while on Nardil and be sure to get at least 30grams of fiber everyday.
Just 1 of these fiber bars has half of the daily required amount.
They can also be purchased from amazon.com if your local organic grocery story does not carry them.
Once you add on Kashi's GOLEAN Cereal http://www.kashi.com/products/golean_cereal_original
you are looking at 25grams of fiber right there. This cereal can be found at any Wal-Mart. If you eat two apples in addition to the fiber bar and cereal, you'll have yourself a total of 30grams of fiber for that day. It isn't too hard, you just have to know what to eat.
Avoid dried fruit and fruit juices at all costs though, while they may be high in fiber, they are terribly high in carbs and sugar. You will get fat very quick. 1 cup of Lima Beans also has 10grams of fiber too, along with no fat. If you eat those on top of everything I mentioned before, you will get a grand total of 40grams.
You should be eating 30-40grams of fiber everyday while on Nardil, constipation or not. It lessens your chance of colon cancer, gives you great stools, lowers cholesterol, destroys fats, and curbs appetite.
This insomnia is terrible, how do I overcome it?
Nardil insomnia can easily be cured and it doesn't take a doctor's prescription for a benzo either. While I am personally prescribed to a very powerful benzo for the treatment of my insomnia on Nardil, I actually much rather take a combination of two drugs that I buy at Wal-Mart. I find them to be much more gentle and soothing, not to mention that they leave me waking up feeling awake and glowing rather than groggy and sluggish. I also sleep through the night just fine on them, usually only waking because I gotta take a pee.
The first drug is Melatonin and it is 100% non-toxic, no ill side effects can even come from its use. It regulates your bodies natural circadian rhythm and is produced by our own pineal glands as well. It has countless other benefits unrelated to sleep as well. Improved learning, memory, reduction of ADHD symptoms, treating seasonal depressions, and migraines.
Wal-Marts brand for their Melatonin is Natrol. Be sure to get the bottle that says 5mg.
The second drug I take in combination with Melatonin is an antihistamine called Doxylamine Succinate. To quote WikiPedia:
"It is also the most effective over-the-counter sedative available in the United States and is more sedating than some prescription hypnotics. In a study, it was found that doxylamine succinate is possibly more effective than the barbiturate phenobarbital for use as a sedative. For this reason, doxylamine has sometimes been used off label in a manner similar to diphenhydramine for the reduction of anxiety symptoms."
I'm sure most of you are thinking, "Colonel! My doctor and pharmacist said not to take antihistamines! Are you trying to kill me?"
Antihistamines are extremely benign drugs, there are people who have taken them daily for upwards of 50 years due to allergies. In the case of Nardil, there are plenty of scientific journals which refute the claim that they are dangerous when taken with an MAOI such as Nardil. Most of them cost money to view online, but I managed to find this book on google which mentions their safety. In case you do not want to sift through 100 online pages trying to find it, here is the quote:
"Antihistamines appear to be safe in combination with MAOIs and, when used without decongestants, pose little risk of drug interaction."
The quote can be found in the section Sympathomimetic Agents on page 102.
Doxylamine Succinate is the active ingredient in Unisom. Be careful though, there are several varieties of Unisom, not all of them contain Doxylamine Succinate. When buying Unisom, make sure you get the one that only has Doxylamine for its active ingredient. It should have no other active ingredients either. Just Doxylamine.
Here's pictures of both products:
When going to bed, all I do is take one pill of each. 1 Melatonin and 1 Unisom. If you take anymore you may end up feeling groggy and possibly crappy in the morning.
Why does Nardil get reccomended for Social Anxiety over Parnate?
Nardil raises GABA levels in the brain while Parnate does not. GABA is the principal inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain and a deficiency of it creates feelings of anxiety, restlessness, and being overhwhelmed. GABA aids in the production of endorphins which are a chemical that provide people with a sense of well-being. Endorphins can be felt at their peak during a runner's high or an orgasm during sexual intercourse.
Benzo's such as Xanax & Klonopin are effective in the treatment of anxiety because they work off of GABA as well.
I also read somewhere and wish I could find the article, but I can't, that Parnate actually turns into a chemical related to amphetamine when it is taken. Which would explain why it is such an amazing anti-depressant with stimulating effects.
Does Nardil destroy my liver?
Does Nardil create a deficiency of Vitamin B6?
There is good research to support that this is possible. Everyone on Nardil needs to be taking a Vitamin B Complex like the one in this picture:
Will I gain weight on Nardil?
If you eat poorly and do not exercise, there is a great chance that you will. Be prepared to also crave and love sweets like you never have before. I devoured a whole cherry pie in 1 day, only to eat 20 packs of kit kats the following day. Candy & Chocolate is going to drive you crazy on Nardil, it tastes so freaking amazing for some reason.
To prevent weight gain on Nardil, you need to do the following:
*Eat well. This means no more than 300 carbs a day. 30-40 grams of fiber. Examples of good food choices include cereals such as the ones made by Kashi, vegetables, fruits, salads, and lean meat like chicken/turkey.
*Drink mostly Water. No soda at all, that even means diet soda. A cup of coffee once a day, or an unsweetened tea once a day is fine though. Water is essential for good health and losing weight.
*Exercise at least 4-5 days a week. I personally reccomend running for about an hour a day. Most people I've talked to online lost their Nardil fat by hitting the treadmill.
Can I take laxatives for the constipation?
Yes, Dulcolax Rectal Suppositories worked the best for me. Be sure to get the ones that have Bisacodyl as the active ingredient. The oral laxatives I bought only gave me horrible cramps and painful gas. Plus, the oral laxatives take 8-12 hours to work. Rectal Suppositories only take about an hour, sometimes 45 minutes.
When will the side effects go away?
I would say anywhere from 2-4 months. Insomnia and the potential for weight gain seem to be permanent though. Daytime sedation too, but all you have to do is take 1 NoDoz in the afternoon and problem solved. I can't even remember the last time I thought about being tired during the day.
When going to sleep, I get muscle spasms, is this normal?
Yes. I had them for about the first month. Sometimes they were so bad that they would almost seem violent. My leg might kick out for no reason or the muscles would contract in my neck so quickly that it would make my head shake left to right. The way I overcame this was easy. I just layed on my stomach and actually twitched my legs myself. The spasms only occured when I was still, if I was moving they never happened. Eventually I would fall asleep on my stomach while lightly twitching my legs.
I can get my guy up, but he no longer works if you know what I mean. This isn't permanent is it?
It wasn't permanent for me and it wasn't permanent for our poster Aries on here. It took me only two months before I was able to overcome anorgasmia. As of right now, it takes me an hour to finish the deed, but Aries says that his guy has completely returned to normal.
My farts smell absolutely terrible, is there anything I can do about this?
Yes, don't fart around others.
I think that covers just about everything I can think of. If anything else comes to mind, I'll be sure to add it on here.