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Old 01-19-2009, 02:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Does anyone else have this problem? It happens mid sentence, it's like my mind goes blank. I find it impossible to fluently recount stories or tell jokes because of this. I am reading that is possibly a symptom of disorganized schizophrenia. Argh this is frustrating but I am going to try and work hard and perfecting my speech patterns.
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah, I guess it could be but does it happen only when you are anxious or all the time? Like if you are just thinking to yourself, does it happen? If you read stuff online, it's all a little vague. To be schizophrenic, you really have to have a lot of stuff all going on at once. Thought blocking is just one small part of it which sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't. But as much as I have read about it, I couldn't actually pinpoint the difference between anxiety-induced blank mind and schizophrenia blank mind. Those checklist criteria are overly simplistic. I couldn't tell you. You'd have to ask a schizophrenic or a psychologist.
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Yeah, I guess it could be but does it happen only when you are anxious or all the time?
Hey Kev,
Usually the higher the stress the higher the difficulty but even if I am completely relaxed I become immedietly unrelaxed when I try and recount a story and I just can't get it out fluently, I just go blank. It's like massive speed humps.

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To be schizophrenic, you really have to have a lot of stuff all going on at once. Thought blocking is just one small part of it which sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't. But as much as I have read about it, I couldn't actually pinpoint the difference between anxiety-induced blank mind and schizophrenia blank mind.
Yeah that is true, I am even now hearing many people with ADD experience similar issues. Seems like something which is connected to a few disorders.
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Does anyone else have this problem? It happens mid sentence, it's like my mind goes blank. I find it impossible to fluently recount stories or tell jokes because of this. I am reading that is possibly a symptom of disorganized schizophrenia. Argh this is frustrating but I am going to try and work hard and perfecting my speech patterns.

I can relate to all you said. Including working hard to "fix" it. Speaking more slowly helps me. As does just focusing on what I'm saying, like, no multitasking (watch T.V. at the same time, reading, etc.) As I said (oh, I didn't actually type it - here it is now then) I'm kind of A.D.D.

Oooh, I think writing more may help, too. Like, expanding the vocabulary and grammatical (I really hope that's a REAL word, lol) skillzzz.
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This happens to me a lot too. Much more so when feeling anxious. I was diagnosed with a mild schizophrania I guess you call it, years back.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Also... depression can cause a similar thing to happen. Depression can caused slowed thoughts. Sometimes for me they are so slow that it is almost as if there is nothing going on in there at all... but it's not entirely true, when my mood lifts I can think better and quicker.

But with schizophrenia, it is more erratic and abrupt I believe. I think it is almost always noticeable to the other person in conversation?
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Does anyone else have this problem? It happens mid sentence, it's like my mind goes blank. I find it impossible to fluently recount stories or tell jokes because of this. I am reading that is possibly a symptom of disorganized schizophrenia. Argh this is frustrating but I am going to try and work hard and perfecting my speech patterns.
It is one of the consequences of SA. Don't worry about schizophrenia.

Because of anxiety blood does not go to the brain and your mind goes blank.
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Yea this happens to me all too often. I feel like such a retard when I'm trying to talk or learn something in school and then out of the blue, my mind goes totally blank.
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Happens so often with unfamiliar people that I must sound so... simple.
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Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts and similarities. It is great to know there are other going through the same thing.

Someone mentioned previously that they have the same problem as me and also have ADD. I have done alot of research and study the last few days and I'm 99% sure that is what I have. The symptoms match up completely. I am very inattentive, when I read I am only reading the words and not actually paying attention to what it's actually saying, when people talk to me I trail off, even if I try to listen I walk away realising that I wasn't listening at all.

I'll probably go to the doctor and get things sorted. I think other people here may have ADD and not know it. If you are really interested look up cluttered speech in wikipedia, it pretty much describes what I go through.
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This is probably my biggest issue at the moment, I can start a conversation fine and think of things to say then mid-sentence or within a story I'm telling I lose my train of thought. A lot of times I get distracted and then the anxiety build ups, I get caught or over stimulation of my senses watching everybody's faces as I speak...I don't know, a form of sensory overload or something, trying to process too much at once.
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This exact thing happened to me a few years ago and it for some reason devastated me! I was always really good at telling story's and jokes so much that I could keep everyone on there toes throughout the whole story! Then one day at school I was talking to about 4 or 5 people and I was telling them a story about someone and they were all attentively listening and all sudden boom! I completely forgot the whole story and this feeling like rushed over my body and I felt humiliated! I remember going home n crying! Thinking what the flip just happened to me! And for a while after that I feared that this could happen at any time so I was not so outspoken and vibrant anymore.... I began to rehearse sentences in my head before I spoke so that wouldn't happen and it began to slowly consume me! But after a few years it kind of went away and I was back to normal and I don't know how or why it just stopped, but every once in a while I would think of that happening mid sentence and I would just stop myself and refocus and repeat what I just said and move on with the conversation. But just two weeks ago it happened again! And that same feeling rushed over me and It wad so intense I faked a stomach pain in an attempt to bail on the conversation! So I began wondering why it was happening again and so I began to think of when it first happened and the most recent time to try and identity any similarities and I came to an answer! But it could be different for everyone. But I thought about just as it was happening I was telling the story and the thought of it happening shot into my head for a split second and it scared me so much that is caused me to lose my thought that instant! So I told myself no! I can't let this consume me again and then it happened 3 more times that week even with my girlfriend who I am completely comfortable being around so I straight up told her whats been happening and I even told the guys I work with what's been happening but explained it in a sort of laughing way so they would kind of relate to certain things. I jokingly said I think I'm getting Alzheimer's! And it worked because I immediately felt the weight and the pressure being lifted because if it were to happen I would immediately just laugh it off and say "see what I'm talking about!? Alzheimer's! So if I'm in a group setting I will just throw it in there and talk about how my memorys been kinda shifty lately and bring it to them and ask them if it's ever happened to them. So idk if this helps anyone or not but hopefully it did because I know how much that sucks and affects one life but stay strong and keep fighting! Force yourself to communicate and just let them know in a cool way what's going on and that pressure will be lifted!
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I have this, too! It's my main problem. I am not even a shy person. What is wrong? This started about 5 years or so. I was not like this at all in 20's. What has happened???? I get panicky when telling stories and or jokes to people (not my family or close friends really). I can't do job interviews, either, now. I had panic attacks in social situations years ago. Is that how it's manifesting itself through this? Is it a kind of OCD?

I'm not depressed, but I am a very, very anxious person. If I don't think about getting "tongue-tied", I don't (when distracted or really relaxed). But usually I get panic-like in mid-sentence and have to quit. But yet, I am not nervous at all in general conversation. Go figure? It's just when I know I have to tell a story or a joke (unless it's three sentence or less, I'm fine).
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Anyone else with this? Any suggestions?
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Yeah.. The worst is when I'm presenting. Sucks. Teachers think that I never prepare for presentations.
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Hey...I'm new here. And very frustrated. I have this issue. I'm only 51, and granted have had my fair share of medical issues (emotionally and physically).

A couple of years ago, I had a psychiatrist put me on 8 different meds, anti depressants, anti psychotics (for PTSD), but it made me horribly sleepy, and even more depressed. However....My memory was better then than it is now. I will be having an intense conversation and boom. It just disappears right before I am about to make my point. First of all, being female (sorry ladies we do do this) when sharing a story I MUST give every detail from start to (well...however far I can get) because it will make you understand the situation better...haha...A couple of scenarios.... 1. Someone interjects and I forget right away. If with friends I have to say wait let me finish, but even by then its usually gone. Long after conversation has past, it will come to me. Another scenario, shoot...I forgot. Not kidding. I just forgot. And this sucks. I am currently on disability. On the most minimal amount of medication because I refuse to be a zombie. Clonidine (BP), Mobic (Arth), Lamotrigine (kept ONE for the PTSD/Dep), Nuvigil 1/2 (sleep apnea treatment) and a microscopic dose of suboxone for PAIN. Not approved in US, and it is normally RX'd for drug withdrawals. Not my use for it. Not addicted to anything. I can't imagine what this all could be. I used to be at the top of my class for spelling and carried it into adulthood up until a few months ago. Suddenly I am forgetting how to spell certain words, and appointments. If not in my calendar I'm screwed. Ok. That's my tale of woes. Any suggestions? PS: I exercise, take some very expensive and GREAT supplements that one could actually live on! So these are not the issue.
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just registered so i could reply. so yup im new here.

i havent read all of the responses but i feel i have read enough and very much want to input my feeling/ideas/learning's. please read, i intend to help. hope i do. i will summarize and bullet point to avoid epic assay.

1) many of you guys mentioned medication. well. i used to be in 500 mg of quetiapine and have had all of that kind off malarkey.
my point here is, these are a number one culprit. many of the work blocking messages. hint hint. tho, they do not help. they are not the soul cause. if possible weening yourself off them very slowly will be almost pain free. it goes tits up when you try and be a hero. don't do that. ask for help. remember they get top dollar for those drugs. sorry meds.

2) sleep. vital for the mind to function. the human body is the best example in the known universe of intelligent life. but, they are flesh and a machine. self care and maintenance are a total must. food for the mind, sleep for the mind. pizza makes you go to sleep. they dont help you mid chat. try fruit, fructose will give you mental energy. it wont work after a stomach full of junk. aim for 9 hours sleep.

3)it seems to me, it has a lot to do with perception here. i have had to learn this the hard way, and its took near obsession to perceive clearly.bias perception is an enemy here.
when we start to talk, and we blank and we panic? hmm. well.
as far as i can see it now. we panic because we know that in the past we froze and looked a goon in public. lets face it, no one, mentally challenged or not want to look a public goon. its not a panic attack from no where, it a very normal fear response. it no biggy. its where it stems from. even tho i am on the ball i still dont like clouded public places. we need to be less self obsessed. sounds offensive to be told that, but its not. its what happens to anyone that is troubled, we start to search internally for the answer and appear self driven. you can do that your hole life if you like. i bet you dont. lol. this causes over self awareness. makes it very difficult to speak in public and makes bad stuff seem unbarable. feels like you might as well be mic'ed up and speaking to the world i know.
what i have found that works is. accept that a good portion of people are in a bad situation themselves and have consciously decided to make everyone else pay for it by being a dick head. these are the people that home in on your troubles and then whoop you with em. no worries. they are in a lot of trouble themselves. shame they cant be more respectable. then theres the other half. the half worth sticking around for. the half that are listening and feel terrible inside with you when you mutter or blank. the people who are a little more emotional advaced i recon. for me, relisizing who was a waist of time until they "saw the light of No need to be a dick". once i new who was sound, and who was not, i then found it easier to speak. a lot less blocking. stop blaming yourself. please. it is you and them speaking.... also,,,, where you about to say something you know you have already said? was it boring? did you stop yourself? perhaps a good job done ? lol

4) method of communication. my most annoying enemy/natural trait, and i bet its yours. because we humans are identical to similar in these ways..... i will say it how i see it as i cant put it into normalish words. we think using what looks like a family tree in my mind. the idea is to get from a to b. to have an idea and portray it aloud. or sometimes just to think, as we blank there to sometimes no? i call it perception and manifestation. sounds cool huh? lol we start at the bottom of this tree and work up to the what we want to say or figure out. the problem we all have is when we mental side track or try to multitask to much info. we should try to take not of ourselves in thought. you tube is the perfect example. your looking at how to fix your car tutorial then half a hour later your looking at rare sea creatures. well, what have they got to do with each other? nothing. how can one expect yourself to to remember car wheel when it has 0 relevance to octopuses our what ever. this is so important in speech. keep the side tracking thought (which has its uses) to the minimum for now. try to say audibly (confidently loud without shouting) your desired statement. dont rush. if you go slowly fine, if you pause. which is definately gonna happen at some point, dont panic its fine. everyone else is healthly nervous too. its normal. those decent people will bare with you. i have a couple of much used frazes. one is. bare with me, my thought have gone, followed by a long errrrmmm. let me tell you. it is far far far better to pause, think and give a thought out viable answer than it is to be like 95% and just say anything because you like the sound of your own voice to much. they look more stupid than someone pausing for sure. but dont we all sometimes lol. remember. no one can see into your thought. really. no one.

so.
1) sleep
2) eat well, feed mind and body. cars dont run well on meths. same as your mind doesnt run well on sucrose and gluten starch crud. i eat junk food. just minimally. especially when this issue plays me up bad.
3)perception. are you looking at it through your own glasses. ofcourse you are. lol
try to see it from other angles. its a good idea to a a degree of trust in what is said. so that you can bounce ideas with blocking yourself. for example. i think that guys trying to be smart and take the jiff. well. these days i would have the same thought followed buy. something like. oh well, what a bad example of a human. (INTERNALLY) then i say my piece. truth is, he might be toying with you. but stuff him. every one of those decent people whom i talked of, thinks the person being like this is a total door nob. same as you. they are with you. and if they are not. Time to question yourself if they are who you would like to spend your time with. i wont sit near those sorts anymore. they are toxic. they need to man up and grow up. there loss and bad skills.

4) method of comunication/thinking method/ thought to mouth/ what ever lol
DIRECT, LOUD AND CLEAR. ENUNCIATE. NO SIDE TRACKING/THINKING. DONT INTERUPT IF ITS NOT OBVIOUS. BLA BLA.

just one thought for the day. valuable info to free you from troubles.

define in your mind the deference between worry and paranoia. are paranoid? really? i bet you are not all of the time that you think you are.
paranoia is irrational worry. worry without any reason.
i dont need to explain worry to anyone. but one is rational the other irrational. both are normal human traits. add this to real life. you will notice you are having normal human worries and you are not as messy as you will have yourself believe. start to believe in yourself without adding unrealistic pressure, and this issue will become the past. although life is a mixture of good and bad things, its not ever one or the other solely. so it cant be all bad, or good. you will never know so relax and go with the flow.

sorry if its a bit broken worded. my head is too at this momment. sleep deprived. thats ok tho. im gonna nurture my self better. and get some decent sleep.

i really hope anyone who read this can draw from it the possitve ideas about life i have shared...... generally, it is the hopeless that become the hope.
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missed a mandatory statement.

3) the guy that seems to be mocking us, may actually not be. or he might be in a foul mood. we are just humans. no one is pure evil or good. we are all capable of being a doosh bag. we are a nice mixture with a rich colour of traits. so think out of your box here and go into a situation knowing that you are safe, you are capable, and you have as much right as anyone else to be here and speak your mind. so do it. take it easy, no unrealistic preasure. expect to **** up. (would be unrealistic to expect miracle) dont get to pissed off about it. try to see the funny side. it will help so much. expect to improve. becuase you will. always speak your mind unless its very in appropriate. it is not rude. it is polite. it is rude to intentionally withold info and use it again people. like most n.t's do. very rude.stop cancelling your thoughts buy not saying them when they arise. you will grow confident and you will suceed. thats not maybe. thats and is,are,am.
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This is probably my biggest issue at the moment, I can start a conversation fine and think of things to say then mid-sentence or within a story I'm telling I lose my train of thought. A lot of times I get distracted and then the anxiety build ups, I get caught or over stimulation of my senses watching everybody's faces as I speak...I don't know, a form of sensory overload or something, trying to process too much at once.
Yep, This is the worst. Very hard to concentrate on communicating when everyone is staring at you.
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This used to happen to me all the time. I would be self-conscious of people looking at me. When I lost my train of thought it just made it worse as I would get more nervous as that little inner critic told me I was stupid.

A few ways you can begin to alleviate this problem is to talk slower. If you lose your train of thought just pause. It always feels like a long time when we forget in front of a crowd of people but in reality it's only a few seconds before we get our thoughts back.

If you forget during a presentation you can say excuse me I need to clear my throat and grab a sip of water. While you sip your water your idea will come back.

Hope that helps.
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