Boxing

[Alone42Long]

Originally Posted by stylicho

I havent seen the Tyson documentary yet but I heard its supposed to be good. I did something to my leg the last time I messed around on a hb. I was practicing low kicks and my leg got real stiff. Something to do with the hip joint. Ive been putting off getting an MRI done on it for over a year now but its starting to become a little more painful. So I will probably be having surgery again. Oh the joy .

Man I'm sorry to here that. Hope is as minor as possible & goes well.

I like that song you reference in your sig. Haven't heard in quiet some time but have it playing in my head now.

[downbutnotout]

Originally Posted by stylicho

I havent seen the Tyson documentary yet but I heard its supposed to be good. I did something to my leg the last time I messed around on a hb. I was practicing low kicks and my leg got real stiff. Something to do with the hip joint. Ive been putting off getting an MRI done on it for over a year now but its starting to become a little more painful. So I will probably be having surgery again. Oh the joy .

It's good, but weird. Its like, even though he's a really dodgy person, he has human emotions. He was actually crying when talking about his old trainer that died. And he kept talking about how scared and intimidated he was when he was out and about.

Even the strongest physically can be weak mentally.

[UKPhobe]

Originally Posted by downbutnotout

He was actually crying when talking about his old trainer that died.

Cus Damato?

[downbutnotout]

Originally Posted by UKPhobe

Cus Damato?

Yeah. Tyson was basically crying in the doumentary when talking about him.

Alot of people say that Tyson was never the same fighter once Cus Damato died.

[UKPhobe]

Originally Posted by downbutnotout

Yeah. Tyson was basically crying in the doumentary when talking about him.

Alot of people say that Tyson was never the same fighter once Cus Damato died.

He was a legend of a man. They say his death was the reason Tyson went off the rails.

He had some of the best fear quotes ever IMV.

[scaredtolive]

Just watched the Cotto vs Clottey fight on HBO. It was a good fight with lots of action. Cotto was cut by an accidental headbutt early on but kept fighting. The judges gave it to Cotto by split decision with one judge scoring it 116-111 for Cotto. He must have been high. I'm a huge Cotto fan but I think a draw would have been appropriate. Clottey is no joke and would make a tough fight for anyone at 147.

[RoninDistance]

Originally Posted by scaredtolive

Just watched the Cotto vs Clottey fight on HBO. It was a good fight with lots of action. Cotto was cut by an accidental headbutt early on but kept fighting. The judges gave it to Cotto by split decision with one judge scoring it 116-111 for Cotto. He must have been high. I'm a huge Cotto fan but I think a draw would have been appropriate. Clottey is no joke and would make a tough fight for anyone at 147.

Same here. I was as surprised as Clottey when they gave the fight to Cotto. Now, don't get me wrong, I was rooting for Miguel, but after that first knockdown, Clottey took control of the fight and never let go. I'm happy Cotto won, no doubt, he deserves it, fighting with such a deep cut is not easy and indeed, Clottey was a bit lazy in those last two rounds (not to mention he had a tendency to fight dirty and resort to theatrics), but please, after the 9th, Cotto had nothing. He was just hanging in there. A draw would have been fair. Still, el mío ganó, so it's alright.

[seanybhoy]

Congrats Amir Khan.

[socially inept]

i absolutely love boxing, nothing beter than watching a re run on setanta on a sunday morning. i loved watching the contender. my favourite recent boxer is calzaghe. from the past ali. and i like oscar as a person cos he is so charismatci and is a great charactor for boxing

*one of the best fights i have ever seen is alex arthur against michael gomez in 2003. that fight had everything , the golden boy of british boxing unbeaten alex arthur tipped to be a world champion fighting a lunitic and contraversal charactor gomez. in arthurs home town of edinborough with an electric atmosphere

*WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE

just to comment on a few things people have discussed on here :

-pavlick beat calzaghe - not a chance in hell

-id say hopkins was still in his prim , he seems to have got better with age

-wud calzaghe have beaten jones in his prime - maybe not but then again maybe , its a tough one but i have read calzaghes book and he says that jones got caught taking steroids , an after that he went downhill and got knocked out by average fighters. maybe the reason he was so good was cos he was taking sport enhancing drugs , he did have freakishly large biceps remember

-nobody can knock calzaghe , he beat kessler , lacy , and hopkins in there prime , he beat roy jones. he beat eubank (that was not an easy fight fora young fighter no matter how old eubank was). and he beat everyone who was put in front of him. he wanted to fight hopkins and jones years and years ago but both of them fighters refused
calzaghe had everything , combination punching , hand speed , jab, flair , grit , he could fight , confidence and most of all a winners mentality
anyon seen the byron mitchel fight. calzaghe goes down for the 1st time ever in his carear, so what does he do ? gets back up grits his teath and seconds later puts mitchell down, seconds after that he lands a least 20 punches and the fight is stopped, thats the heart of a true champion

-rivky hatton could beat floyd mayweather. in the first fight the ref spoilt it completely , wouldnt let hatton in close. ricky got angry cos thats the kind of guy he is , and completely lost his discipline and got picked off. get a rematch at wembly with a normal ref and hatton will crunch mayweather ribs with a body shot

-i dont think hatton could beat pacquioa but the last didnt do him justice. he went in umprepared cos of that joke mayweather seniour, he had no strategy and was reckless and got knocked out. give him a rematch and a propper trainer and he will take pacquioa the distance

-amir khan is the most talented boxer in the whole world and he has morepotential tan anybody. but talent and potential doesnt mean you will be successful. khan has a bad chin, and is extremely vulnerable . he deffinately has a lack o confidence because of his vulnerability and he refuses to take risks. his hand speed, movement and accuracy is absolutely crazy and he could go all of the way t the top but until he sorts out his lack of confidence he is not guaranteed success
if youput him in with any of the big boys like diaz, marquez, hatton they would all absolutely destroy him, i dont think he is ready for those fights until a few years down the line

[dessibel]

Originally Posted by downbutnotout

Do you go to a boxing gym yet?

Because of s/a, theres no chance of me going.

Learning to box and sparring opponents weekly will probably cure a lot of your S/A. Feel the power of evading punches and making people dizzy with hard shots to the head. (and feeling dizzy and jacked up yourself afterwards lol)
If youre meek about exercising and whatnot in front of others maybe you can tell yourself to just do it because nobody gives a fuk about what anyone else is doing.
Many years ago before I started working out I couldnt bring myself to go jogging because joggers looked so stupid and I didnt want anyone to see me doing it. But with a good running programme necessary for boxing my view gradually changed.
Nike says "Just Do It!". If you piddle about thinking about the way things should be before you can do something, yo JUST DO IT

[ironheart]

Originally Posted by socially inept

-rivky hatton could beat floyd mayweather. in the first fight the ref spoilt it completely , wouldnt let hatton in close. ricky got angry cos thats the kind of guy he is , and completely lost his discipline and got picked off. get a rematch at wembly with a normal ref and hatton will crunch mayweather ribs with a body shot

-i dont think hatton could beat pacquioa but the last didnt do him justice. he went in umprepared cos of that joke mayweather seniour, he had no strategy and was reckless and got knocked out. give him a rematch and a propper trainer and he will take pacquioa the distance

I'm a huge fan of Ricky Hatton and massively admire what he has acheived in the sport but I don't agree for a second that he has the beating of someone as skilled as Floyd Mayweather. Even though the ref did appear to be some whatpartisan, the truth is that throughout the entire contest, Hatton just couldn't break through Mayweather's excellent 'phily shell' defence with any consistency or effect and nor could he get out of the way of what was coming back at him.

As for the Pacquiao disaster, I agree that Hatton did not do his ability any justice whatsoever back in May. Rumours persist that he was stuggling during sparring in the build up to the fight and during one session, he was almost completely overwhelmed by a Cuban prospect named Erislandy Lara. Also after 45 punishing fights and over a decade of drying out to make the 140 limit, I think that he's just pushed his body above and beyond it's limits and I hope he retires.

[socially inept]

Originally Posted by ironheart

I'm a huge fan of Ricky Hatton and massively admire what he has acheived in the sport but I don't agree for a second that he has the beating of someone as skilled as Floyd Mayweather. Even though the ref did appear to be some whatpartisan, the truth is that throughout the entire contest, Hatton just couldn't break through Mayweather's excellent 'phily shell' defence with any consistency or effect and nor could he get out of the way of what was coming back at him.

As for the Pacquiao disaster, I agree that Hatton did not do his ability any justice whatsoever back in May. Rumours persist that he was stuggling during sparring in the build up to the fight and during one session, he was almost completely overwhelmed by a Cuban prospect named Erislandy Lara. Also after 45 punishing fights and over a decade of drying out to make the 140 limit, I think that he's just pushed his body above and beyond it's limits and I hope he retires.

how could hatton break through mayweathers defence if the ref wouldnt allow him to use his game plan . and the same goes for not being able to get out of the way of what was coming back at him too. he couldnt get out of the way becasue he wasnt allowed, by the referee, inside. if hatton was inside he would not have been getting picked off but everytime he got inside the ref broke it up, even if hatton wasnt clinching. hatton did nothing wrong at all when he was inside but for some reason the ref always stepped in. if anyone was doing anything wrong it was mayweather cos he kept rubbing his elbows in hattons face every time he got inside.

hatton wasnt allowed inside ever therefore mayweather was allowed to pick him off at a distance. plus the fact that hatton lost his discipline and got angry over the ref made it twice as easy for mayweather to catch him

if they had a rematch and hatton was allowed inside , which he has every right to do, then i think hatton is one of the only boxing in the sport with the style to beat mayweather .

i think pacquaoi is too ferocious for hatton though, i just couldnt see him beating him.

[jralva86]

Originally Posted by ironheart

I'm a huge fan of Ricky Hatton and massively admire what he has acheived in the sport but I don't agree for a second that he has the beating of someone as skilled as Floyd Mayweather. Even though the ref did appear to be some whatpartisan, the truth is that throughout the entire contest, Hatton just couldn't break through Mayweather's excellent 'phily shell' defence with any consistency or effect and nor could he get out of the way of what was coming back at him.

As for the Pacquiao disaster, I agree that Hatton did not do his ability any justice whatsoever back in May. Rumours persist that he was stuggling during sparring in the build up to the fight and during one session, he was almost completely overwhelmed by a Cuban prospect named Erislandy Lara. Also after 45 punishing fights and over a decade of drying out to make the 140 limit, I think that he's just pushed his body above and beyond it's limits and I hope he retires.

hatton was never that good to begin with, i dont think beating an old tsuyu and castillo makes you great. not to mention the collazo fight in which he got the gift decision to set up an eventual megafight with mayweather. even after suffering that brutal knockout to mayweather, i actually heard that hes planning to fight again in england. maybe a farewell fight, i think michael katsidis would be a good farewell fight for him.

btw who do you guys got in may vs jmm and cotto vs pac.

[socially inept]

Originally Posted by jralva86

hatton was never that good to begin with, i dont think beating an old tsuyu and castillo makes you great. not to mention the collazo fight in which he got the gift decision to set up an eventual megafight with mayweather. even after suffering that brutal knockout to mayweather, i actually heard that hes planning to fight again in england. maybe a farewell fight, i think michael katsidis would be a good farewell fight for him.

btw who do you guys got in may vs jmm and cotto vs pac.

i agree i dont think hatton is that good to begin with anyway but even so i think he had the style to beat mayweather. mayweather is not exactly tough (and thats why i think someone as ferocious as pacquaio would kill him ) so if youve got this pitpull in your face non stop and he is throwing crunching body shots at you , then you will crumble if you are not tough enough

collazo fight was way out of hattons wieght devision, collazo was too big and strong for him at that weight

i think pacquoio will beat cotto. i expect maywether to beat marquez but you never know with this one cos marquez is realy tough and if he catches mayweather he could hurt him. mayweatehrs never been down before so if marquez puts him sdown , which he is capable off, then you dont know how mayweather will react

[jralva86]

Originally Posted by socially inept

i agree i dont think hatton is that good to begin with anyway but even so i think he had the style to beat mayweather. mayweather is not exactly tough (and thats why i think someone as ferocious as pacquaio would kill him ) so if youve got this pitpull in your face non stop and he is throwing crunching body shots at you , then you will crumble if you are not tough enough

collazo fight was way out of hattons wieght devision, collazo was too big and strong for him at that weight

i think pacquoio will beat cotto. i expect maywether to beat marquez but you never know with this one cos marquez is realy tough and if he catches mayweather he could hurt him. mayweatehrs never been down before so if marquez puts him sdown , which he is capable off, then you dont know how mayweather will react

well have that aggressive non stop pit bull style can be a hindrance as well, especially for pac. look at the marquez fight in which he gaves pac a nightmare with well timed counters. it shows that no matter how good pac is a good counter puncher will always give him problems, and floyd is an exceptional counter puncher. i think paul williams would give floyd a good run for his money, but we all now floyd will never fight anyone that can beat him.

yeah i wasnt to happy about the idea of marquez fighting mayweather, but idk why it reminds me of leonard vs duran back in the 80s, the lightweight champ moving up to welterweight to take his stab at the champ, i just hope mayweather doesnt make jmm say no mas lol. hey have you heard about the super six tournament taking place, man i couldnt believe it when i heard it. who do you think will win that one. im leaning towards kessler, or maybe abraham.

[socially inept]

Originally Posted by jralva86

well have that aggressive non stop pit bull style can be a hindrance as well, especially for pac. look at the marquez fight in which he gaves pac a nightmare with well timed counters. it shows that no matter how good pac is a good counter puncher will always give him problems, and floyd is an exceptional counter puncher. i think paul williams would give floyd a good run for his money, but we all now floyd will never fight anyone that can beat him.

yeah i wasnt to happy about the idea of marquez fighting mayweather, but idk why it reminds me of leonard vs duran back in the 80s, the lightweight champ moving up to welterweight to take his stab at the champ, i just hope mayweather doesnt make jmm say no mas lol. hey have you heard about the super six tournament taking place, man i couldnt believe it when i heard it. who do you think will win that one. im leaning towards kessler, or maybe abraham.

yer the super 6 is a fantastic idea, it would be great if they did it in another weight division like with pac, cotto, hatton, floyd etc....

i think froch has a chance of winning it. he is not the best fighter in the world but he has a winning mentality were you really have to produce something brilliant to beat him. however taylor will be out for revenge and could deffo get it as he troubled froch an awful lot int he first fight

[jralva86]

yeah i think alot of ppl are counting out froch, but tbh i think anyone can take it. im not too familiar with the two americans, but having seen their footage they seem to be stuck in an amateur style which will hurt them against big punchers like froch and abraham. yeah froch vs taylor was a sick fight, its just that jermain taylor basically stops fighting after the sixth round, but a rematch would be interesting. even though froch talks alot of **** i liked him since his fight with pascal, did you see that fight? the first minute froch went in there trying to end it.

[socially inept]

Originally Posted by jralva86

yeah i think alot of ppl are counting out froch, but tbh i think anyone can take it. im not too familiar with the two americans, but having seen their footage they seem to be stuck in an amateur style which will hurt them against big punchers like froch and abraham. yeah froch vs taylor was a sick fight, its just that jermain taylor basically stops fighting after the sixth round, but a rematch would be interesting. even though froch talks alot of **** i liked him since his fight with pascal, did you see that fight? the first minute froch went in there trying to end it.

yer the pascal fight was brilliant , it was voted one of the fights of the year over here. thats what you get with froch, you always get a ball.

he is not bothered about getting hit and often just dropped his hands and gets into a tear up. against taylor was the first time in his carear that he has ever hit the canvas so he is not too worried about defence as he has a great chin. even a big puncher like taylor , who connected flush time after time in the opening rounds, could not even daze froch never mind knock him out. when he went down against taylor he wasnt even dazed, his eyes were clear .

froch aint the best fighter in the world cos he is very slow , predictable and mechanical but he is a hell of a scrapper and is almost impossibel to beat.

i only know froch, taylor, abraham and kessler. ive never heard of the other 2. i dont think abraham will win it. id say it was out of kessler , froch and taylor . but taylor is a big if cos you just cant rely on him. i think he is absolutely world class cos to be that size and be able to throw combinations as fast , accurate and powerfull as he does is incredible. but as you sed he runs out of gas later on and just gives up, he is too easy to beat

[seanybhoy]

David Haye vs Nikolai Valuev should be good.

[mrbojangles]

Originally Posted by seanybhoy

David Haye vs Nikolai Valuev should be good.

i hope valuev knocks haye out. he talked so much smack to wladimir k. before their fight and he ends up pulling out two weeks before then when has the opportunity to reschedule he declines. he then goes on to say hes going to fight vitali, realizing he cant beat either of the klits he pulls out of that fight and goes for what will be the easiest fight of the three against that clumsy oaf valuev.