Social Anxiety Support

Beggiatoa · 10-25-2009, 07:43 AM

Simbarn,

I still take my 10 mg in the morning and feel fine. I do take breaks from time to time. Saturday night I took 20 mg, since I was going out. A dude that was twice my size challenged me to a fight (for absolutely no reason at all) and I met him head on. We wrestled a bit but he backed down since I fought back. I'm not like this normally.

ratherbesailing · 10-25-2009, 07:44 AM

Libido : Have you tried Tribulus? My husband and I have used it since our 40th or so, when we noticed libido heading south, and it returned us to our 20's. We've taken it for years and the only side effect we've had to deal with is an on edge or irritable feeling if the dosage is too high or too frequent. We pace it together so if we're going to skip a day or week, we just both change dosages together. Just my two old cents..

I have continued to experiment and so far have found that the manganese glycinate works as well as the gluconate for me, but not any better. I've also tried B1 injections that had no effect at all and now am working on one other possiblility that I'll update on later.

Several years ago, I tried the pyroluria combination with no effect and even tested for pyroluria and came up as not having it, but the symptom picture is so similar with SA that it did seem like a strong possibility at the time. But I'm sure there are others on the board that it could very much be the answer for. Now, if only I can locate my own issue, I'll be a very happy lady. I am open to all suggestions!

proximo20 · 10-25-2009, 08:23 AM

Manganese synergists from acu cell: http://www.acu-cell.com/femn.html

Sodium, lithium, silicon / silica, cobalt, PABA, niacin / niacinamide, Vitamin E, biotin, choline, sugar,* alcohol,*

and antagonists:

Potassium, magnesium, calcium, iodine, nickel, boron, Vitamin B1, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B15, Vitamin C, [iron], sugar,* alcohol,*

* These can have synergistic or antagonistic action, depending on hypoglycemic or hyperglycemic tendencies.

Importance of Manganese:

Extra supplementation of manganese may be helpful in some cases of carpal tunnel syndrome, deafness, epilepsy, infertility, and lack of libido in both sexes. In addition, individuals who regularly dislocate joints (particularly knee joints), frequently present with insufficient manganese levels, so normalizing manganese in those cases will permanently resolve that problem. On the other hand, excessive manganese levels increase the risk for tendon / ligament tears.

Manganese is important to many enzyme systems such as protein metabolism, bone formation, and the synthesis of L-dopamine and cholesterol, as well as carbohydrate metabolism, where it is required for the synthesis of glucose from non-carbohydrate substances (gluconeogenesis). As a cofactor in
glycolysis, manganese aids glucose metabolism.

Manganese may help with some symptoms of Parkinson's disease such as muscle rigidity and twitching, although an excessive level of manganese can in itself produce Parkinsonian syndrome from a loss of dopamine in the brain cells.

STKinTHEmud · 10-25-2009, 12:25 PM

After reading this post, I was thinking that I might try getting up to 10mg manganese using whole foods and my multivitamin (2mg). Do you think whole foods would have the same effect as Mn supplements?

Beggiatoa · 10-30-2009, 09:36 PM

I've been feeling unexplainably depressed for a couple weeks. I've been changing my stack around a bit, adding, removing things. I could also be due to a lack of sleep, lately.

Guess I have to figure out what's doing what.

robertz · 10-31-2009, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beggiatoa

I've been feeling unexplainably depressed for a couple weeks. I've been changing my stack around a bit, adding, removing things. I could also be due to a lack of sleep, lately.

Guess I have to figure out what's doing what.

Hi Beggiatoa, I've been feeling exactly the same. And the only addition to my supplements is manganese ! (well, and some zinc).

I don't know what's going on, but I feel like my brain is not working properly, could it be manganese ??? I'm feeling down, sleepy and dizzy at times...

ratherbesailing · 11-01-2009, 06:46 AM

I experienced the same thing just recently, but not overnight. I just noticed that both the energy and the SA were deteriorating again, albeit slowly. Then I realized that this had occurred after the dosage was lowered and I'd even been taking only 10 mg some days. Then I read that Manganese may work because it lowers the copper levels, which can cause anxiety and paranoia and that once again someone was recommending up to 50mg was okay in a therapeutic dose, (and 2-5 mg in a maintenance dose once copper levels were normal) so up I went again to 50 mg and I'm fine again, no depression and significant reduction in SA. I'm hoping that maybe I just need a higher dose for a prolonged period of time to lower copper and then I'll see complete cessation of the SA?

Beggiatoa · 11-01-2009, 09:17 AM

Seems like my temporary run-in with depression was due to lack of sleep. With hospitals, rotations and 24 hour services, I was simply not getting enough. I made up for all that this Friday. Went to bed at 5 pm, woke up the next day at 11 am and I'm feeling lots better.

robertz,

Those symptoms you describe sound like its coming from the zinc. How much are you using and what kind? I use optizinc 30 mg and It makes me feel a little dizzy as well. I usually reserve this for the night time for that very reason.

ratherbesailing,

50 mg just seems like an awful high dose. I would check your serum copper AND manganese levels just so we're not second guessing here. I'm still using 10 mg carlson glycinate on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning and this is working for me.

Have you considered a hair mineral analysis?

robertz · 11-01-2009, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beggiatoa

robertz,

Those symptoms you describe sound like its coming from the zinc. How much are you using and what kind? I use optizinc 30 mg and It makes me feel a little dizzy as well. I usually reserve this for the night time for that very reason.

I also take 30 mg, but in comes in the form of zinc glycinate. And the multi I take contains 20 mg more, but not the chelated form.

I find that some supps work great for me, but after a few days they start to give me side effects. A good example would be 5-HTP, but also L-Tyrosine and other aminos. I suspect my liver is malfunctioning, because I've been diagnosed with gilbert's syndrome.

proximo20 · 11-01-2009, 03:32 PM

Google whatever you are taking with serotonin. I used to be just like you guys described when I was taking ginger pills. Then I found out that ginger inhibits serotonin.

Beggiatoa · 11-01-2009, 05:50 PM

For any Liver problems, this product is very, very good:

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-...les/13357?at=0

I also have liver problems, this product is freaking fantastic! Brought my liver enzymes in no time.

robertz · 11-02-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beggiatoa

For any Liver problems, this product is very, very good:

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-...les/13357?at=0

I also have liver problems, this product is freaking fantastic! Brought my liver enzymes in no time.

I will give it a try, as soon as i place my next iherb order, thanks.

Have you tried TMG (tri methyl glycine) ? Some people say it is very good for the liver.

ratherbesailing · 11-03-2009, 09:58 AM

I had hair analysis done several years ago and at the time they used Molybdenum and zinc to try to bring down the copper levels. It was only somewhat successful. I hadn't thought of Mn as lowering copper levels until reading it recently, but it would be interesting if it does indeed lower my levels finally. I'm currently going down in dose again, but a lot slower and paying attention that I"m not giving up ground as I do so. Does anyone know of other supps that would bring down copper?

Beggiatoa · 11-03-2009, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratherbesailing

I had hair analysis done several years ago and at the time they used Molybdenum and zinc to try to bring down the copper levels. It was only somewhat successful. I hadn't thought of Mn as lowering copper levels until reading it recently, but it would be interesting if it does indeed lower my levels finally. I'm currently going down in dose again, but a lot slower and paying attention that I"m not giving up ground as I do so. Does anyone know of other supps that would bring down copper?

IP6, resveratrol.

10-25-2009, 07:43 AM	#101 (permalink)
Beggiatoa Status: SAS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 30 Posts: 1,026	Simbarn, I still take my 10 mg in the morning and feel fine. I do take breaks from time to time. Saturday night I took 20 mg, since I was going out. A dude that was twice my size challenged me to a fight (for absolutely no reason at all) and I met him head on. We wrestled a bit but he backed down since I fought back. I'm not like this normally. __________________ The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) It's the government's way of trying to protect you from protecting yourself.

10-25-2009, 07:44 AM	#102 (permalink)
ratherbesailing Status: SAS Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 18	Update Libido : Have you tried Tribulus? My husband and I have used it since our 40th or so, when we noticed libido heading south, and it returned us to our 20's. We've taken it for years and the only side effect we've had to deal with is an on edge or irritable feeling if the dosage is too high or too frequent. We pace it together so if we're going to skip a day or week, we just both change dosages together. Just my two old cents.. I have continued to experiment and so far have found that the manganese glycinate works as well as the gluconate for me, but not any better. I've also tried B1 injections that had no effect at all and now am working on one other possiblility that I'll update on later. Several years ago, I tried the pyroluria combination with no effect and even tested for pyroluria and came up as not having it, but the symptom picture is so similar with SA that it did seem like a strong possibility at the time. But I'm sure there are others on the board that it could very much be the answer for. Now, if only I can locate my own issue, I'll be a very happy lady. I am open to all suggestions!

10-25-2009, 08:23 AM	#103 (permalink)
proximo20 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Miami Age: 28 Posts: 746	Manganese synergists from acu cell: http://www.acu-cell.com/femn.html Sodium, lithium, silicon / silica, cobalt, PABA, niacin / niacinamide, Vitamin E, biotin, choline, sugar,* alcohol,* and antagonists: Potassium, magnesium, calcium, iodine, nickel, boron, Vitamin B1, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B15, Vitamin C, [iron], sugar,* alcohol,* * These can have synergistic or antagonistic action, depending on hypoglycemic or hyperglycemic tendencies. Importance of Manganese: Extra supplementation of manganese may be helpful in some cases of carpal tunnel syndrome, deafness, epilepsy, infertility, and lack of libido in both sexes. In addition, individuals who regularly dislocate joints (particularly knee joints), frequently present with insufficient manganese levels, so normalizing manganese in those cases will permanently resolve that problem. On the other hand, excessive manganese levels increase the risk for tendon / ligament tears. Manganese is important to many enzyme systems such as protein metabolism, bone formation, and the synthesis of L-dopamine and cholesterol, as well as carbohydrate metabolism, where it is required for the synthesis of glucose from non-carbohydrate substances (gluconeogenesis). As a cofactor in glycolysis, manganese aids glucose metabolism. Manganese may help with some symptoms of Parkinson's disease such as muscle rigidity and twitching, although an excessive level of manganese can in itself produce Parkinsonian syndrome from a loss of dopamine in the brain cells. __________________ "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." "When I look back on all these worries , I remember the story of the old man who said on his deathbed that he had a lot of trouble in his life most of which had never happened." W.Churchill

10-30-2009, 09:36 PM	#105 (permalink)
Beggiatoa Status: SAS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 30 Posts: 1,026	I've been feeling unexplainably depressed for a couple weeks. I've been changing my stack around a bit, adding, removing things. I could also be due to a lack of sleep, lately. Guess I have to figure out what's doing what. __________________ The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) It's the government's way of trying to protect you from protecting yourself.

11-01-2009, 06:46 AM	#107 (permalink)
ratherbesailing Status: SAS Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 18	Manganese - is it the dosage? I experienced the same thing just recently, but not overnight. I just noticed that both the energy and the SA were deteriorating again, albeit slowly. Then I realized that this had occurred after the dosage was lowered and I'd even been taking only 10 mg some days. Then I read that Manganese may work because it lowers the copper levels, which can cause anxiety and paranoia and that once again someone was recommending up to 50mg was okay in a therapeutic dose, (and 2-5 mg in a maintenance dose once copper levels were normal) so up I went again to 50 mg and I'm fine again, no depression and significant reduction in SA. I'm hoping that maybe I just need a higher dose for a prolonged period of time to lower copper and then I'll see complete cessation of the SA?

10-25-2009, 12:25 PM	#104 (permalink)
STKinTHEmud Status: SAS Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: CA Gender: Male Age: 27 Posts: 359	After reading this post, I was thinking that I might try getting up to 10mg manganese using whole foods and my multivitamin (2mg). Do you think whole foods would have the same effect as Mn supplements?

11-01-2009, 09:17 AM	#108 (permalink)
Beggiatoa Status: SAS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 30 Posts: 1,026	Seems like my temporary run-in with depression was due to lack of sleep. With hospitals, rotations and 24 hour services, I was simply not getting enough. I made up for all that this Friday. Went to bed at 5 pm, woke up the next day at 11 am and I'm feeling lots better. robertz, Those symptoms you describe sound like its coming from the zinc. How much are you using and what kind? I use optizinc 30 mg and It makes me feel a little dizzy as well. I usually reserve this for the night time for that very reason. ratherbesailing, 50 mg just seems like an awful high dose. I would check your serum copper AND manganese levels just so we're not second guessing here. I'm still using 10 mg carlson glycinate on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning and this is working for me. Have you considered a hair mineral analysis? __________________ The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) It's the government's way of trying to protect you from protecting yourself.

11-01-2009, 03:32 PM	#110 (permalink)
proximo20 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Miami Age: 28 Posts: 746	Google whatever you are taking with serotonin. I used to be just like you guys described when I was taking ginger pills. Then I found out that ginger inhibits serotonin. __________________ "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." "When I look back on all these worries , I remember the story of the old man who said on his deathbed that he had a lot of trouble in his life most of which had never happened." W.Churchill

11-01-2009, 05:50 PM	#111 (permalink)
Beggiatoa Status: SAS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 30 Posts: 1,026	For any Liver problems, this product is very, very good: http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-...les/13357?at=0 I also have liver problems, this product is freaking fantastic! Brought my liver enzymes in no time. __________________ The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) It's the government's way of trying to protect you from protecting yourself.

11-03-2009, 09:58 AM	#113 (permalink)
ratherbesailing Status: SAS Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 18	Copper levels I had hair analysis done several years ago and at the time they used Molybdenum and zinc to try to bring down the copper levels. It was only somewhat successful. I hadn't thought of Mn as lowering copper levels until reading it recently, but it would be interesting if it does indeed lower my levels finally. I'm currently going down in dose again, but a lot slower and paying attention that I"m not giving up ground as I do so. Does anyone know of other supps that would bring down copper?